by liam 19 Replies latest social current
hoser : The violence is real but possibly not politically motivated
Yes. I have friends who moved to New Zealand for the same reason. I wouldn't describe South Africa as a safe place to live, and when there was a civil war going on the attacks on farms were political. But apartheid ended more than thirty years ago. By and large, South Africans of all hues get along well together. The rainbow nation. But violent crime and corruption remain a problem with no easy solution in sight.
joey jojo
who is 'they'?
Liam, you seem to like conspiracy theories - heres one:
Elon Musk was born in South Africa.
Have you seen all
the videos saturating the internet the past few months showing
hundreds if not thousands chanting to Kill all the Whites?
You seem to be the type of person that’s slow to the party.
Let me guess, You were Born in the JW religion? Probably thought for years that you were thoroughly informed, progressive, not in the dark like all the other religions.
And you probably believe for a long time the Bible was the Inspired word of God.
After many years………...you FINALLY figured it out!
Here’s a video where Elon Musk comments, and He doesn’t think it’s a Conspiracy. I wonder why?
Oh, that right, His IQ is off the charts.
And like always, the video is plain as day, but like always, people say; “That’s not what he means about killing whites…………..it’s allegory/ symbolic.
It’s such a nonsense when someone is chanting death to boer and then they say “don’t take it literally bro”.
liam
And like always, the video is plain as day, but like always, people say; “That’s not what he means about killing whites…………..it’s allegory/ symbolic.
It’s such a nonsense when someone is chanting death to boer and then they say “don’t take it literally bro”.
I wasnt doubting for a moment that someone was saying it, like I said S.A. has a messed up history.
You seem to be the type of person that’s slow to the party.
Rude - I like parties :)
Totally right Joey .
The first people in S Africa were black . Europeans/ whites didn't arrive until 1652 . They then proceeded to treat the black population appallingly.
A quick Google shows that these rumours of black on white genocide are rubbish. They have been circulating for years .
Your point about Musk being S African is a good one , of course that has nothing to do with this has it 🤔 ?
Yes S Africa is a fairly violent place to live , but that has probably been brought about by the blatant racism shown by the white settlers.
I started a thread a while back saying that l was worried that there would be bloodshed in American Streets in the not too distant future. It seems now that Trump is trying to bring that about.
Black vs White
Religious vs Atheist
Republican vs Democrat
He's probably not bothered as long as it gives him a reason to impose Martial law and become the dictator/ King that he wants to be .
Jan from Tam
Yes. And the ANC has been killing both whites and the nomadic tribes.
Mandela became the head of the military wing of the African National Congress, Umkhonto we Sizwe (Spear of the Nation), also known as MK. The majority of casualties of MK operations were civilians. Hundreds annually were being killed by terrorist operations, which mostly ended when Mandela and others were arrested and convicted, however since the early 1960s to 1993 about 19,000 cases of human rights abuses have been documented.
Even after Mandela came to power it is well documented how the ANC started killing off political rivals both black and white. Since Mandela rose to power 70,000 white farmers have been killed with many more cases of rape, mutilation and abuse and more than 82,000 white farmers have been dispossessed of their property under communist laws against property holdings.
This is tribal warfare and communism brought to its ultimate end. And as far as the Kill the Boer statement, the picture says it all…
https://www.kerrybolton.com/wp-content/uploads/kill-all-whites1.jpg
Anony Mous : since the early 1960s to 1993 about 19,000 cases of human rights abuses have been documented.
After the end of apartheid, Nelson Mandela set up the Truth and Reconciliation Commission chaired by Desmond Tutu. They found that there were more than 19,000 people who had been victims of human rights violations. But the great majority of these violations had been committed by the state, including 73 deaths in detention by the security police.
Anony Mous : Since Mandela rose to power ... more than 82,000 white farmers have been dispossessed of their property under communist laws against property holdings.
That is simply not true. There has been an attempt to restore land that was illegally seized under apartheid laws, but it is necessary for the claimants to prove that the land was originally theirs, and the state has to pay compensation for improvements made to the land in the interim. There is a recent law which allows for a small number of exceptions where compensation is not paid and that is usually when a farm or piece of land is not being used. Even so, any seizure of land has to go through the courts. Your emotional use of words like "dispossessed" and "communist laws" do not reflect reality. You say your claims are well-documented but provide no documentation.
And as for your stock photo of someone with a sign "Kill All Whites", while I don't know the circumstances when that was taken I do know that today he would be charged with a hate crime.
I started a thread a while back saying that l was worried that there would be bloodshed in American Streets in the not too distant future. It seems now that Trump is trying to bring that about.
Black vs White
Religious vs Atheist
Republican vs Democrat
So you're a prophet Jan, that can predict the future. I know someone else that makes outrageous claims like you do. Ever heard of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses? They have been saying the same thing you do for 146 years. The only difference is they have been saying the whole world is going to shit, not just America.
But you got a great start. Begin with America, then South America, then Central America, and eventually you'll get to the Whole World is going to shit.
@Earnest: nobody says the prior government wasn’t bad, but the above is all well documented. The ANC denies it is happening. As far as “reparations” - under Apartheid no property was ever seized, under ANC it is, as you said with minimal to no compensation for “sins” supposedly committed 300 years ago by some ancestor when the majority of the black population were nomadic. There were no widespread Xhosa settlements. What areas the Xhosa had remained as homeland areas under apartheid. The Afrikaner did not confiscate Xhosa lands. The ANC represents mostly tribes from the Zulu nation that came from the North around early 1800s, long after British and Dutch had already “taken” the land. There are other parties representing other tribes in South Africa, but they are, like whites, in the minority and have been killed as well by the ANC
Nobody is saying Apartheid was good but “the devil you know” was better for many of the other political groups which is how Apartheid remained in place. Even Noam Chomsky wrote about this early on, how Anti-Apartheid basically was a ploy to get cheap land and labor.
Anony Mous : under Apartheid no property was ever seized
Where do I start? The National Party (which championed apartheid) was elected in 1948. In 1950 they passed the Group Areas Act :
The GAA created the legal framework for varying levels of government to establish particular neighbourhoods as 'group areas', where only people of a particular race were able to reside. It displaced hundreds of thousands of people; breaking up families, friends, and communities. This was due in large part to the retroactive application of the law, meaning that once an area was declared a group area, the GAA had the power to demolish all the houses there and displace everyone who was not of the designated group.
I witnessed this myself when an area in my city was declared a white group area, and our servant who was Asian was forced to leave her home and live outside the city in accommodation and surroundings far inferior to what she had enjoyed. This affected hundreds of thousands of people. Most cities were declared white group areas, so everyone other than the whites were forced to move outside the cities.
Anony Mous : under ANC it is, as you said with minimal to no compensation for “sins” supposedly committed 300 years ago
(a) that's not what I said
(b) as I explained above, the land which is being returned was primarily seized in my lifetime, since the Group Areas Act was passed in 1950, not 300 years ago.
The Expropriation Act 13 of 2024 makes clear that compensation for land expropriated should be fair and equitable. Section 25 (2) and (3) hold :
(2) Property may be expropriated only in terms of law of general application—
(a) for a public purpose or in the public interest; and
(b) subject to compensation, the amount of which and the time and manner of payment of which have either been agreed to by those affected or decided or approved by a court.
(3) The amount of the compensation and the time and manner of payment must be just and equitable, reflecting an equitable balance between the public interest and the interests of those affected, having regard to all relevant circumstances ...
I did say "There is a recent law which allows for a small number of exceptions where compensation is not paid and that is usually when a farm or piece of land is not being used."
Chapter 5 Section 12 (3) of the same Act says :
(3) It may be just and equitable for nil compensation to be paid where land is expropriated in the public interest, having regard to all relevant circumstances, including but not limited to—
(a) where the land is not being used and the owner’s main purpose is not to develop the land or use it to generate income, but to benefit from appreciation of its market value;
(b) where an organ of state holds land that it is not using for its core functions and is not reasonably likely to require the land for its future activities in that regard, and the organ of state acquired the land for no consideration;
(c) notwithstanding registration of ownership in terms of the Deeds Registries Act, 1937 (Act No. 47 of 1937), where an owner has abandoned the land by failing to exercise control over it despite being reasonably capable of doing so;
(d) where the market value of the land is equivalent to, or less than, the present value of direct state investment or subsidy in the acquisition and beneficial capital improvement of the land.
I have provided a link to the law allowing expropriation with and without compensation. Please read what the law says rather than the hype aroused by media reports.
Anony Mous : The Afrikaner did not confiscate Xhosa lands.
See my discussion of the Group Areas Act above. The Nationalist government (not all Afrikaners supported the government e.g. Jan Smuts) confiscated land where blacks were living, regardless of their tribe, if it was declared a white group area. Your reference to "Xhosa lands" is like referring to "Afrikaner lands" and restricting that to the area where the Dutch first settled, in the Cape.
Anony Mous : The ANC represents mostly tribes from the Zulu nation that came from the North
False. While the ANC consists of blacks from many tribes including Zulu, the Zulu nation was largely represented by the Inkatha Freedom Party led by Mangosuthu Buthelezi.
Anony Mous : Anti-Apartheid basically was a ploy to get cheap land and labor.
What do you think the policy of apartheid was? I am lost for words by this 'Alice in Wonderland' reversal of the truth.
