What REALLY defines a person as being anti-Semitic?

by The Fall Guy 20 Replies latest social current

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    You can spot anti-American sentiment when you see people dancing in the street after 9/11

    Similarly you can be sure you are looking at anti-Semitism when the person you are talking to

    - denies the holocaust

    - thinks Israel has no right to exist

    - supports rocket attacks on Israeli citizens

    - believes Israel does not have the right to defend itself.

    Etc.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Here's an article that shows 6 excerpts from Corbyn's car-crash interview with Andrew Neil.

    It's not only that he refuses time and time again to apologise for anti-Semites within his party, it's also his general lack of conviction to answer any and all of Andrew Neil's questions.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/six-of-the-worst-bits-from-jeremy-corbyns-andrew-neil-interview/

    How on earth could this man be our PM?!

  • LoveUniHateExams
  • punkofnice
    punkofnice
    LUHE - How on earth could this man be our PM?!

    He's offering free stuff to dossers!

    It seems to me, the lefties don't see the real dangers of Socialism from history. It never worked, not even for Mr Hitler. Who do you think you are kidding...? I'd like to see counter evidence though as I'm willing to listen to all sides.

    Why people fall for the empty promises of their particular party each election, baffles me sh1tless.

    I can see what Ian Bone used to say.....(disclaimer, I do not agree with all Mr Bone says).



    Sorry, off topic a bit...now BTTT
  • Xanthippe
    Xanthippe
    See 'The Lefts Jewish Problem' by David Rich for a thorough account of the history and depth of this issue and for evidence of Corbyn's personal culpability.

    Thanks Cofty I've been wanting to ask you for some sources on Corbyn, I would genuinely like to do some research on him.

    I had no idea there was an institute for the study of anti-Semitism within Birkbeck.

    The first thing that occurs to me is to look for bias and vested interests of course because that's how I studied my history degree. However that's where sources for Corbyn's own words and actions will be useful for me, so thanks.



  • cofty
    cofty

    Xanthippe - also recommend Dangerous Hero by Tom Bower and for a more general insight into how the left lost its way, including the origins of antisemitism and why Noam Chomsky is vacuous, What's Left by Nick Cohen

    ETA - Bower does not cite any sources. From the amount of detail of private conversations he shares he clearly has one or more unnamed sources close to Corbyn's inner circle. He obviously trusts them otherwise they will sue him and he is too experienced a political journalist for that. Spoiler - Corbyn's first wife says he never read a book during his entire marriage. His favourite hobby was drinking with like-minded friends and singing Irish Republican songs.

  • Xanthippe
    Xanthippe

    Thanks Cofty. I will explore all of those. Speaking of bias, I'm not sure I would set great store by the words of a man's estranged wife but we shall see.

  • jhine
    jhine

    l have just had another look at this and it appears that for 10 years Corbin had a close association with a group called Deir Yassin which is a group of prominent Holocaust deniers . The article says that it is not suggesting that Corbin has actually denied the Holocaust but questions his judgement in having ties with this organisation .

    Do we know if Corbin has actually denied the Holocaust ?

    Jan

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Do we know if Corbin has actually denied the Holocaust ? - No, he hasn't done that. Corbyn accepts that the Holocaust happened and that it was a bad thing.

    But there are still the issues of his manifest double standards and his claim to be for peace.

    I've already covered his double standards to a reasonable degree, so now it's worth talking about his claims that he is and always has been 'for peace'.

    So, in the name of peace, Corbyn had a close association with Deir Yassin ... who, being Holocaust deniers, are anti-Semitic. Recall, too, that he attended a ceremony in Tunisia which celebrated and commemorated the lives of a couple of dead Palestinian terrorists. He also is on video calling Hamas and Hezbollah his 'friends' (but he's never called the Israeli government 'friends'). In fairness to Corbyn, he apparently now does regret using the term 'friends' when referring to Hamas and Hezbollah.

    And now for a quick aside, but one that's relevant to the point I'm trying to make ...

    Corbyn claims that his whole stance on Northern Ireland was 'for peace', too. My memory isn't 100% on this, but at the height of The Troubles, he apparently invited leaders either from Sinn Fein or the IRA to Parliament. Corbyn likes to revise history and claim he was neutral and for peace, but his view at the time was for a united Ireland. That's the same view as the IRA, incidentally. So that's his claim for neutrality out the window.

    In that full interview I posted above, Andrew Neil put to him this hypothetical scenario:

    Our Special Forces have got the next ISIS leader cornered and are awaiting instructions. Would you give the order to take him out?

    And Corbyn couldn't say 'yes'.

    Have you noticed a pattern emerging?

    Well, I have - the pattern is that Corbyn sides with the UK's enemies. In short, he is either outright anti-UK or his idea for Britain is so radical, so batsh*t crazy that it goes completely against the vast majority of the UK electorate's wishes.

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice
    LUHE - his claim to be for peace

    Or so he gets votes from members of the religion of peace?

    his idea for Britain is so radical, so batsh*t crazy that it goes completely against the vast majority of the UK electorate's wishes.

    Well, he is a lefty...comes with the territory perhaps?

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