For JW lurkers - After Hamburg.................

by BoogerMan 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan you still believe the organization's false teaching that Romans 6:7 refer to a person's literal death?

    Watchtower May 15th 1982, pp. 8,9 - "The Bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed."

    bh p. 214 par. 3 - "..the judgment will not focus on what people did before they died... Those resurrected thus come to life with a clean slate, so to speak."

    Philipp Fusz the killer also died. Consider the mental conflict when exchanging a figurative meaning for a literal one - as you try to convince youself and others of this abominable false teaching.

    (Romans 1:25) They exchanged the truth of God for the lie.

  • Rattigan350

    The Bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed." but not inherited sin because Lazarus still was a sinner.

    The Bible is right.

  • EdenOne
    The Bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed." but not inherited sin because Lazarus still was a sinner.

    Where in the Bible do you find that explanation?

  • blondie

    In talking about Acts 24:15, the WTS says this: "The resurrection of the dead to an opportunity of perfect life on earth will be a supreme act of mercy. Then each one will be able to show appreciation for the gift of true life." Thus when people are resurrected to life on earth, they are only given "an opportunity of perfect life on earth" able to show appreciation for the gift of true life." That is those resurrected will not yet be "perfect" but will still have to prove to the WTS god that they are worthy of that god making their life permanent, having their name written in ink, as they are only penciled in so far. The WTS used to use Isaiah 65:20 to back this up saying that someone could still die even at 100 years old. But I cannot even find Isaiah 65:20 discussed in the Watchtower Online. (Not even mentioned in the indexes or in an article, it starts with verse 21. If you can find it let me know. But here is another direction the WTS takes. "In view of that, the “righteous” ones just as well as the “unrighteous” will need more than just liberation from the memorial tombs by resurrection from the dead. The “righteous” will also need liberation from sinfulness and human imperfection. Consequently, the heavenly Judge Jesus Christ cannot pronounce them at once actually innocent, perfect, free from condemnable sinfulness and on their very day of resurrection hand down the decision that they are fit for eternal life on earth. They will mercifully be given the benefits of Christ’s atonement sacrifice so that they can come to human perfection, spiritually and physically. If they are obedient they will not die again. That is why the resurrection of the Judgment Day is called “a better resurrection” than that experienced by those resurrected in Bible days.​—Heb. 11:35."

    So this is how the WTS puts it. They teach that even some who reach the end of the 1,000 year reign could be executed and go to eternal death. That will be another post.

  • blondie

    "Each one must choose. You see, new scrolls will be opened during that time. So the refreshing waters from Jehovah will include newly revealed truths, new spiritual instructions. Is it not thrilling to think of that prospect? Nonetheless, some will refuse that blessing, choosing instead to disobey Jehovah. Some individuals may rebel during the Millennium, but they will not be allowed to disrupt Paradise. (Isa. 65:20) We may be reminded of Ezekiel’s vision and think of those marshy places that remained barren, “abandoned to salt.” How foolish are those who stubbornly refuse to drink from the precious water of life! After the Millennium, a group of rebels will side with Satan. All who reject Jehovah’s righteous rule will face the same end: eternal death.​—Rev. 20:7-12." Pure Worship book chap 19 paragraph 19 pp 209-210.

  • ThomasMore

    I find it beyond belief that WTC speaks authoratatively on what is actually mere speculation regarding micro events over 1,000 years away but cannot get their own house in order NOW. Geoffrey Jackson once said that "If the Bible does not say it, neither do we". Riiiiiiight Geoffrey.

    Unfortunately most JWs do not perceive when WTC is 'going beyond what is written'.

  • BoogerMan

    @ Blondie - Thanks for the Pure Worship book quote. That's a "new scrolls" reference not available on the CD ROM.

    @ Rattigan350 - I agree with you 100% - the Bible is right regarding Romans 6:7. JW's are wrong.

    Now read Romans 6:2,4,6,8,11 and you'll see that the context of v. 7 is describing a figurative dying - to one's former course of conduct.

    2 Certainly not! Seeing that we died with reference to sin, how can we keep living any longer in it?

    4 So we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in a newness of life.

    6 For we know that our old personality was nailed to the stake along with him in order for our sinful body to be made powerless, so that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin.

    8 Moreover, if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

    11 Likewise you, consider yourselves to be dead with reference to sin but living with reference to God by Christ Jesus.

    Dying of cancer or being killed by a Guinness lorry does not acquit anyone of their sins. If they did, then scripturally, Christ's death and sacrifice were totally unnecessary.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    I wonder how the congregations are going step-up preparations for meeting times now,,,will they lock the doors after the first song and prayers.

  • Linda14

    The whole perfection after the 1000 years is laughable. Let's see:

    Rev 20:

    And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection."

    Take note of the phrase, the REST of the dead did NOT come to LIFE until...

    If the group in verse 4 came to life literally through resurrection, it will logically mean that the REST OF THE DEAD not coming to life mean that they weren't LITERALLY resurrected. But the GB assigned one meaning to the first group while assigning a symbolic meaning to the latter group. These guys are smart. They will wish you don't notice

  • Linda14

    That's how they publish a fake number of Jehovah's witnesses online when the reality is that that number consists of both baptized and unbaptized publishers. I doubt if they know how many baptized witnesses there is in the world. Even if they know, the 8million + in the peak publishers are not the actual number of Jehovah's witnesses.

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