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    Looking this over I wondered, did Bathsheba know beforehand that David had her husband put to death to cover up their adultery? But she knew she was committing adultery going over to have sexual relations with David which was a capital crime.

    Adultery was seen as wrong by Joseph before the Law code says the WTS. Yet the WTS excuses his brother Judah for adultery saying there was no Law code.

    Examples of helping: how many did you do, or see others do, were they the truly spiritual or merely reassigning the “privilege” to those worthy, sisters.

    Key words and phrases:

    Appropriate action

    Acting accordingly

    Warning message (when do jws stop make it an execution message?)

    Running to scripture snippets together to make seem like one scripture

    Why does the service year end in August?

    With digital technology, why does the WTS need 4 months to tally statistics and print the yearbook?

    “Trust in Jehovah and Do What Is Good”

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    “Trust in Jehovah and Do What Is Good”

    “Trust in Jehovah and do what is good . . . and act with faithfulness.”—PS. 37:3.


    • Noah?

    • David?

    • other faithful servants of Jehovah?

      1. Jehovah created humans with what remarkable abilities?

      JEHOVAH created humans with remarkable abilities. He gave us thinking ability to solve problems and plan for the future. (Prov. 2:11) He gave us power to carry out our plans, enabling us to work toward proper goals. (Phil. 2:13) He also created us with a conscience—an inborn sense of right and wrong—that can help us avoid wrongdoing and correct our mistakes when we fall short.—Rom. 2:15.


      Humans, not just men……..are jws allowed to use their thinking ability or a rule book, written and unwritten? Who decides what are “proper” goals?

      2. How does Jehovah expect us to use our abilities?

      2 Jehovah expects us to put our abilities to good use. Why? Because he loves us, and he knows that it brings us satisfaction when we employ these gifts. Through his Word, Jehovah repeatedly admonishes us to use our abilities for good. For example, in the Hebrew Scriptures, we read: “The plans of the diligent surely lead to success”; and “whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might.” (Prov. 21:5; Eccl. 9:10) In the Christian Greek Scriptures, we are told: “As long as we have the opportunity, let us work what is good toward all”; and “to the extent that each one has received a gift, use it in ministering to one another.” (Gal. 6:10; 1 Pet. 4:10) Clearly, Jehovah wants us to do what we can to benefit ourselves and others.


      Do jws find satisfaction in their preaching….why then goals like 10 hours/monthly when we know they watch television, play computer games, etc., more than 10 hours a week? Which is more enjoyable to them based on that? Good toward all? Only jws…is the good toward non-jws only in the “preaching” work? Even Jesus fed his followers so they had the strength to listen to his sermons.

      3. What limitations do humans have?

      3 At the same time, Jehovah knows that humans have limitations. On our own, we can never eliminate imperfection, sin, and death; neither can we control other people, for all have free will. (1 Ki. 8:46) And no matter how much knowledge or experience we gain, we will always be like children in comparison with Jehovah.—Isa. 55:9.



      Various problems Jehovah’s people face and positive ways they cope with them

      When dealing with problems, “trust in Jehovah and do what is good”

      4. What will we consider in this article?

      4 In all circumstances, we need to lean on Jehovah for guidance, trusting in him to support us and do for us what we cannot do for ourselves. At the same time, we should do what we can, taking appropriate action to solve problems and help others. (Read Psalm 37:3.) In short, we need both ‘to trust in Jehovah and to do what is good’; we need ‘to act with faithfulness.’ In this regard, let us consider what we can learn from the examples of Noah, David, and other faithful servants of God who relied on Jehovah and took appropriate action. As we will see, this involved distinguishing between what they could not do and what they could do and then acting accordingly.


      So “leaning on Jehovah” = leaning on the WTS/GB

    • THROUGHOUT Bible history, individuals received guidance from Jehovah by various means. To some, God spoke through angels or by means of visions or dreams, thus revealing to them what would happen in the future. Jehovah also gave them specific work assignments. (Num. 7:89; Ezek. 1:1; Dan. 2:19) Others received direction through Jehovah’s human representatives serving in the earthly part of his organization.—w14 8/15 p. 21-22

      What is “appropriate action”?


      5. Describe the situation that Noah faced.

      5 Noah lived in a world that was “filled with violence” and immorality. (Gen. 6:4, 9-13) He knew that Jehovah would eventually bring an end to that wicked world. Even so, Noah must have been distressed by such ungodly conditions. In that situation, Noah recognized that there were some things he could not do but other things he could do.


      Note how often the WTS uses snippets….that directs their interpretation of what is key. He knew EVENTUALLY BRING AN END.


      A brother faces opposition in the door-to-door ministry, but later gets a response when he does public witnessing

      Opposition to our preaching (See paragraphs 6-9)

      6, 7. (a) What could Noah not do? (b) How are we in a situation similar to Noah’s?

      6 What Noah could not do: Although Noah faithfully preached Jehovah’s warning message, he could not force wicked people around him to accept that message, nor could he make the Flood come any sooner. Noah had to trust that Jehovah would keep His promise to end wickedness, believing that God would do so at just the right time.—Gen. 6:17.


      “Faithfully preached” where in Genesis or any OT book is this mentioned? What is a “warning message” per the WTS? Are jws trying to force people outside the WTS, no but within their ranks and inside their families.

      The WTS once taught that the warning message ends at the beginning of the great tribulation. After that it will be a message of execution.

      7 We too live in a world filled with wickedness, which we know Jehovah has promised to destroy. (1 John 2:17) In the meantime, we cannot force people to accept the “good news of the Kingdom.” And we cannot do anything to speed up the start of the “great tribulation.” (Matt. 24:14, 21) Like Noah, we need strong faith, trusting that God will soon intervene. (Ps. 37:10, 11) We are convinced that Jehovah will not allow this wicked world to continue for even one day longer than his purpose requires.—Hab. 2:3.


      We (meaning the WTS) cannot do anything to speed up the start of the great tribulation….1914, 1925, 1975, VERY SOON NOW.

      8. How did Noah focus on what he could do? (See opening picture.)

      8 What Noah could do: Instead of giving up because of what he could not do, Noah focused on what he could do. As “a preacher of righteousness,” Noah faithfully proclaimed the warning message he had been given. (2 Pet. 2:5) No doubt, doing so helped Noah keep his faith strong. In addition to preaching, he also used his physical and mental abilities to accomplish the God-assigned work of building an ark.—Read Hebrews 11:7.


      Interpretation of WTS words: quit your bitchin’ and do what we say. Of course, no one is building a literal ark…oh, I forget Warwick.

      9. How can we imitate Noah’s example?

      9 Like Noah, we strive to have “plenty to do in the work of the Lord.” (1 Cor. 15:58) Such work may include the construction and maintenance of facilities for worship, volunteering to assist at assemblies and conventions, or caring for assignments at a branch office or a remote translation office. Above all, we stay busy in the preaching work, knowing that this work strengthens our hope for the future. One faithful sister put it this way: “When you talk to others about the blessings of God’s Kingdom, you realize that your listeners have absolutely no hope and that they see their problems as permanent.” Indeed, sharing in the preaching work fortifies our positive view of the future and our resolve not to give up in the race for life.—1 Cor. 9:24.


      What does the WTS put first in importance as the “work of the Lord”?

      The construction and maintenance of facilities for worship, volunteering to assist at assemblies and conventions, or caring for assignments at a branch office or a remote translation office

      So how is that TALKING to others. How is it talking to others when jws sit mute at their carts, when they can talk to people at the doors, did Noah sit in the public wayfare with a sign? WARNING! END NEAR, HOW LONG CAN YOU TREAD WATER?

      Jws have a “positive” view of the future, the destruction of every non-jw including their children on earth, 8 billion people!


      10. Describe the situation that David faced.

      10 Jehovah described King David as “a man agreeable to [his] heart.” (Acts 13:22) Overall, David’s life course was one of faithfulness. Even so, on occasion he fell into serious sin. He committed adultery with Bath-sheba. To make matters worse, he tried to hide the sin by arranging for her husband, Uriah, to be killed in battle. David even sent what amounted to Uriah’s death sentence by means of the man’s own hand! (2 Sam. 11:1-21) Inevitably, David’s sins came to light. (Mark 4:22) When that happened, how did David react?

      So, did David’s “good” acts balance out adultery and murder, sins he jumped into, no one pushed him. Was David like other Israelites who thought that god had left the land and he is not seeing? The punishment for all other adulterers and murderers even if repentant under the Law code was death. Was David’s 2 serious sins, his choice, hidden from the Israelites of his time, only a few servants and employees of his knowing and afraid to testify?

      A brother sits on his bed, distraught because of his sin, but later he meets with two elders

      Past sins (See paragraphs 11-14)

      11, 12. (a) After he sinned, what could David not do? (b) If we repent after making serious mistakes, we can trust that Jehovah will do what for us?

      11 What David could not do: David could not undo what he had done. And he could not escape the consequences of his mistakes. In fact, some of those consequences would stay with David for the rest of his life. (2 Sam. 12:10-12, 14) Thus, he needed faith. He had to trust that when he truly repented, Jehovah would forgive him and help him endure the consequences of his actions.


      Who suffered directly, not David he kept his life and his wife of adultery and sexual desire. The child died instead, WTS explanation, if Bath-sheba had been put the death, the baby would have died anyway. And David’s wives were raped by his son Absalom if front of the nation of Israel.

      2 SAMUEL 16 20 Abʹsa·lom then said to A·hithʹo·phel: “Give me your advice.*+ What should we do?” 21 At that A·hithʹo·phel said to Abʹsa·lom: “Have relations with your father’s concubines,+ those whom he left behind to take care of the house.*+ Then all Israel will hear that you have made yourself a stench to your father, and those who support you will be strengthened.” 22 So they pitched a tent for Abʹsa·lom on the roof,+ and Abʹsa·lom had relations with the concubines of his father+ before the eyes of all Israel.+

      12 Being imperfect, all of us sin. Some mistakes are more serious than others. In some cases, we may not be able to undo our mistakes. We may simply have to live with the consequences. (Gal. 6:7) But we take God at his word, trusting that if we are repentant, Jehovah will support us through difficult times—even when those difficulties are of our own making.—Read Isaiah 1:18, 19; Acts 3:19.


      But all sin leads to death, minor or not. That is the theme behind the ransom sacrifice. 12-step groups emphasize that it is true some mistakes cannot be undone, but amends can be made if possible without hurting the original victim. Does the WTS have a policy of people apologizing and trying to undo it by funding therapy and material help to their victims? The sinner is not the person hurt the most but the one sinned against. Repentance is not something humans can judge, even the GB, because as they point out they cannot read hearts and minds.

      13. How did David recover spiritually?

      13 What David could do: David allowed Jehovah to help him recover spiritually. One way he did that was by accepting correction from Jehovah’s representative, the prophet Nathan. (2 Sam. 12:13) David also prayed to Jehovah, confessing his sins and expressing a sincere desire to be restored to Jehovah’s favor. (Ps. 51:1-17) Instead of being paralyzed by guilt, David learned from his mistakes. Indeed, he never repeated those serious sins. Years later, he died faithful, his record of integrity firmly sealed in Jehovah’s memory.—Heb. 11:32-34.


      Did David recover? Or did he once again disobey god resulting in the deaths of 70,000 innocent people (except for the sin of Adam). Note that David did not die.

      Jehovah’s judgment. Jehovah’s prophet Gad was sent to David, giving David, the authorizer of the census, a choice of one of three forms of punishment: a famine for three years, the sword of Israel’s enemies overtaking Israel for three months, or a pestilence for three days. David, leaning on God’s mercy rather than man’s, chose “to fall into the hand of Jehovah”; in the pestilence that followed, 70,000 persons died.—1Ch 21:10-14.-- it-2 pp. 764-767 --REGISTRATIONS

      Do you see anywhere where David apologized to Uriah and his family and friends? Or to the Israelites that he ruled over? David learned not to commit adultery and murder again but when on to a new sin and missed the principle.

      14. What can we learn from David’s example?

      14 What can we learn from David’s example? If we fall into serious sin, we need to repent sincerely and seek Jehovah’s forgiveness. We must confess our sins to him. (1 John 1:9) We also need to approach the elders, who can offer us spiritual help. (Read James 5:14-16.) By availing ourselves of Jehovah’s arrangements, we show that we trust in his promise to heal and forgive us. Thereafter, we do well to learn from our mistakes, move forward in our service to Jehovah, and look to the future with confidence.—Heb. 12:12, 13.


      Is that what we learn from David’s example, did he approach Nathan or did Nathan go to him? If no human had turned him in?


      A sister, on oxygen, sits alone, but later attends a meeting with a younger sister

      Health problems (See paragraph 15)

      15. What do we learn from Hannah’s example?

      15 Likely, you can think of other faithful servants of old who trusted in Jehovah while taking appropriate action. For example, Hannah could not overcome the problem of barrenness on her own. But she trusted that Jehovah would comfort her, so she continued to worship at the tabernacle and pour out her heart in prayer. (1 Sam. 1:9-11) Is that not a good example for us? When we deal with health problems or other challenges beyond our control, we throw our anxiety on Jehovah, trusting that he cares for us. (1 Pet. 5:6, 7) And we do what is within our power to benefit from Christian meetings and other spiritual provisions.—Heb. 10:24, 25.


      Remember Hannah knew that god had opened the wombs of Sarah and Rachel according to their history.

      So, should jws today expect god to heal them like he did Hannah’s barrenness? Or should they use the time they don’t have to spend on raising children to pioneer? Do jws benefit from the canned technology now offered on the spiritual table of the WTS?

      Parents are distraught when their wayward son leaves home, but the two of them continue to have Family Worship

      Wayward children (See paragraph 16)

      16. What can parents learn from elderly Samuel?

      16 What about faithful parents whose children have gone astray? Elderly Samuel could not force his adult sons to remain loyal to the righteous standards he taught them. (1 Sam. 8:1-3) He had to leave the matter in Jehovah’s hands. Even so, Samuel could maintain his own integrity and please his heavenly Father, Jehovah. (Prov. 27:11) Today, a number of Christian parents find themselves in a similar situation. They trust that like the father in the parable of the prodigal son, Jehovah is ever on the lookout to welcome back sinners who repent. (Luke 15:20) At the same time, such parents work hard to remain loyal to Jehovah, hoping that their example will move their children to return to the fold.


      Did Samuel teach them or did they trade on their family status? So did David have to write a letter and put in the contribution box saying he wanted to come back?

      An elderly sister looks into her bare refrigerator, but later makes a donation to the Kingdom workLow finances (See paragraph 17)

      17. Why is the example of the needy widow encouraging?

      17 Think, too, of the needy widow in Jesus’ day. (Read Luke 21:1-4.) She could hardly do anything about the corrupt practices being carried on at the temple. (Matt. 21:12, 13) And there was likely little she could do to improve her financial situation. Yet, she voluntarily contributed those “two small coins,” which were “all the means of living she had.” That faithful woman demonstrated wholehearted trust in Jehovah, knowing that if she put spiritual things first, he would provide for her physical needs. The widow’s trust moved her to support the existing arrangement for true worship. Likewise, we trust that if we seek first the Kingdom, Jehovah will make sure that we have what we need.—Matt. 6:33.


      Finally, an NT example, but of a Jewish woman not an example in the Christian congregation.

      So now the WTS wants the necessary bits of older jws….not enough donations from the rich ones?

      18. Give an example of a modern-day servant who had the right outlook.

      18 Many of our modern-day fellow believers have similarly demonstrated trust in Jehovah and have taken appropriate action. Consider a brother named Malcolm, who remained faithful until his death in 2015. Over the decades that he and his wife served Jehovah, they experienced ups and downs. “Life is unpredictable at times, uncertain, and even hard to deal with,” he said. “But Jehovah blesses those who lean on him.” Malcolm’s advice? “Pray to be as productive and as active in Jehovah’s service as you can be. Focus on what you can do, not on what you cannot do.” * (See The Watchtower, October 15, 2013, pp. 17-20.


      Yes, focus on what you can do to help victims of sexual abuse by the WTS.

      19. (a) Why is our year text for 2017 fitting? (b) How will you apply the 2017 year text in your life?

      19 As this system of things goes “from bad to worse,” we can expect to face increasingly greater difficulties. (2 Tim. 3:1, 13) So it is more important than ever that we do not allow ourselves to be paralyzed by such challenges. Rather, we need to cultivate strong trust in Jehovah while taking whatever appropriate action we can. How fitting, then, is our year text for 2017: “Trust in Jehovah and do what is good”!—Ps. 37:3.


      Yes, the worst is ahead……encouraging!? Do not be paralyzed….

      Snippets….the words of the WTS number more than god’s nowadays in the articles.

      Key word—appropriate action; paralyzed

      Do what is good for the WTS—donate, donate, donate until it hurts.

      Our year text for 2017: “Trust in Jehovah and do what is good.”—Psalm 37:3

  • NotBlind

    Good analysis, as always.

    Paragraph 17 was the most memorable for me. The elderly lady literally has no food in her refrigerator, but she sure as heII better find some dough for the Tower Slave International organization! Where are the elders and the loving pioneers and the circuit overseers then? They like to give assembly experiences of families with no money that magically found a bag of groceries on their doorstep, but when has this organization ever honestly encouraged feeding the poor/hungry? Those circuit overseers leeches have their hands outstretched for another green handshake when they have an old widow with no food in her fridge?

    You literally cannot make this up!!

    Somehow, they took a fairly harmless psalm about doing what is good and trusting in God and turned it into another money-grubbing session!

    Paragraph 15 is a close second, with the other elderly lady who's living alone and on oxygen. She could be listening in on the phone tie-in, but NO! The all-knowing elders probably told her she didn't qualify. She better get her keister to the Kingdom Hell so she can drop some more of her dead husband's money into the contribution box.

    And the young sister next to her had better wake up soon, or else she'll be even worse off in 50 years time!

  • blondie

    Notblind, good observation. I can't count how many times elders and other jws tried to guilt me by pointing to some poor jw who was ignored and abused at the KH but still managed to drag themselves to the meetings.

  • waton

    thank you blondie, there is another prior "year's text " topic with more meat. like

    paragraph 17 where the widow could see the corruption in he temple organisation and still contributed. wt message:

    even if you discover wrongs in wt (failed prophecies), contribute anyway, your last penny.

  • blondie

    Very good point, waton. You and I probably had some cognitive dissonance in the past, but know we see the flaws in the WTS reasoning.

  • JW_Rogue

    Paragraph 5 comments: The fictional character Noah faced many harsh situations like fictional hybrid demon-men, building a fictional gigantic ark with only his family, herding thousands of animals onto said ark, feeding and caring for thousands of animals for forty days, and I almost forgot he also found time to go preach on Saturday mornings with his FS group.

  • waton
    feeding and caring for thousands of animals for forty days, JW_Rogue:

    Never mind 40 days, 9 month. that is how long it took for the water to subside from Mt. Everest to sea level.

    I guarantee you that Noah did not take up woodworking as a hobby when he retired.

  • JW_Rogue

    True I forgot about that LOL

  • punkofnice

    thank you again, Blondie.

    To me at least, para 17 is the one paragraph that should send a warning message to the people who don't realise they're trapped in a manipulative and uncaring corporation.

    While cult leaders like 'tight pants' Tony and 'Lie to the ARC' Wacko Jacko live in their paradise in Warwick, they are guilt tripping poor people to still contribute despite the corruption within. OAPs with no food, little children who are not allowed ice cream cones in order to perpetuate the luxury of the GB is beyond despicable and evil.

    what ever happened to 'looking after widows and orphans'? New light(tm), only the GB and their scrounging hangers on and henchmen deserve looking after. Even COs do not work, they scrounge off the R&F.

    ...and JW apologists think that 'apostates(tm)' are 'bitter(tm)', Perhaps now they can see why we protest against the corrupt corporation.

    Honestly, there is no Christian love shown in the publications. The main message is hate, hate, hate and give us your money.

  • waton
    Par.13: "--Instead of being paralyzed by guilt, David learned from his mistakes. Indeed, he never repeated those serious sins. Years later, he died faithful, his record of integrity firmly sealed in Jehovah’s memory. Blondi:

    like David, today, any sinning elder that hides his sin, and after 2 years of not being paralyzed with fear (of being found out), and "being blessed in his work" can expect to remain unpunished by wt, yeah, if you govern, just carry on. -well-, a sex criminal yes, a real murderous elder hardly, but certainly life destroyers . and

    of course, if there is an earthly resurrection, wt style, David without his libido. will then not repeat his rampage through womanhood, and be hunting for foreskins to get laid.

    # new wt use of the word: "-sealed-" in his memory, meaning possibly, not to be opened and used again, the hidden message: don't believe it, there might not even be a sealed content accessible for future use.

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