Judge Arrested for Immigration Related Criminality

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  FedUpJW

  Spoken like true Evangelical fucktard.

  You may not be an Evangelical, you certainly are the other!
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  TD

  I lived and worked in DC for 13 years. I've visited, the Capitol, the White House, the various memorials and monuments many, many times. I've watched Congress in session and know what it takes to be admitted to the visitor galleries

  I'm sympathetic to the fact that many of the J6 defendants were not given due process, but the idea that they weren't trespassing is simply not true.
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  Anony Mous

  @TD: trespassing has a definition. Even if they were. First time offenders of trespassing are typically not held for 4 years without proof or bail. The J6 commission destroyed and judges withheld video evidence from the trials because it was damaging to the case that many were invited onto public property. The fact SCOTUS had to get involved in a trespassing case is a travesty in itself. And I’m not even talking about whether they have done it, it is highly debatable, which means beyond a reasonable doubt as a standard is unlikely to be reached. The process itself became illegal hours into the arrests, therefore they cannot be convicted.

  Protesters often inadvertently or intentionally trespass even private property, the BLM protesters trespassed many private properties to burn then down and didn’t even get prosecuted. If, as CNN says, those protests are peaceful but fiery while the city burns behind the journalist, then a few hundred people walking into a public building as the police wave them on, is definitely peaceful.
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  TD

  Anony Mous,

  There's no "IF" here. Joint sessions of Congress normally happen twice a year (State of the Union address and Convention of the Electoral College) and the Capitol Building and grounds are closed on these occasions.

  Constitution and Independance Avenues are closed. 1st and 3rd Streets are closed. Mobile barricades with "Area Closed" signs mark the boundaries of the protective zone established by the Secret Service.

  Crossing into the protective zone, even inadvertently, is trespass although an angry shout from a police officer is about all that would normally happen, provided you complied with the order to leave. If you refuse to comply, it's no longer a misdemeanor. If you have a weapon in your possession, it was never a misdemeanor.

  Like I said, I'm sympathetic to J6 defendants who were denied due process and I'm also sympathetic to any who did not realize the seriousness of what they were doing, although I think you would have to be low grade moron to fall into that category.
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  Anony Mous

  So called free speech zones have long been a contentious issue and imho wouldn’t pass scrutiny. Which they didn’t in this case. The legal arguments are interesting, hence why I said, the legal standard that needs to be reached should be very high. I’m talking purely the legal arguments of the case, nobody says they didn’t go on the grounds and nobody says some weren’t violent.

  The question is legally theory of who committed a misdemeanor (very few were convicted under said standard, the prosecutors went immediately for felony), felony (most were charged with felonies and even military offenses like treason) or the protest on the grounds was legally permitted under first amendment (which is eventually what SCOTUS, congress and the current DOJ held was the standard).

  Rounding everyone up in the way they were, charging them without due process is the problem, that is why they were pardoned, not because they didn’t do anything wrong per se (that was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt for the majority of people) but because they were denied their civil rights under Biden.
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  Duran

  how you act has as a human being.

  What does acting like a human being mean to you? Do you want humans that break/ignore laws to come across country borders illegally? Or do you want humans that follow laws and come across legally?

  So is someone going to have a word with Trump about his lawlessness?

  What has he done that was lawless?