Spoken like true Evangelical fucktard.
You may not be an Evangelical, you certainly are the other!
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FedUpJW
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TD
I lived and worked in DC for 13 years. I've visited, the Capitol, the White House, the various memorials and monuments many, many times. I've watched Congress in session and know what it takes to be admitted to the visitor galleries
I'm sympathetic to the fact that many of the J6 defendants were not given due process, but the idea that they weren't trespassing is simply not true.
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Anony Mous
@TD: trespassing has a definition. Even if they were. First time offenders of trespassing are typically not held for 4 years without proof or bail. The J6 commission destroyed and judges withheld video evidence from the trials because it was damaging to the case that many were invited onto public property. The fact SCOTUS had to get involved in a trespassing case is a travesty in itself. And I’m not even talking about whether they have done it, it is highly debatable, which means beyond a reasonable doubt as a standard is unlikely to be reached. The process itself became illegal hours into the arrests, therefore they cannot be convicted.
Protesters often inadvertently or intentionally trespass even private property, the BLM protesters trespassed many private properties to burn then down and didn’t even get prosecuted. If, as CNN says, those protests are peaceful but fiery while the city burns behind the journalist, then a few hundred people walking into a public building as the police wave them on, is definitely peaceful.
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TD
Anony Mous,
There's no "IF" here. Joint sessions of Congress normally happen twice a year (State of the Union address and Convention of the Electoral College) and the Capitol Building and grounds are closed on these occasions.
Constitution and Independance Avenues are closed. 1st and 3rd Streets are closed. Mobile barricades with "Area Closed" signs mark the boundaries of the protective zone established by the Secret Service.
Crossing into the protective zone, even inadvertently, is trespass although an angry shout from a police officer is about all that would normally happen, provided you complied with the order to leave. If you refuse to comply, it's no longer a misdemeanor. If you have a weapon in your possession, it was never a misdemeanor.
Like I said, I'm sympathetic to J6 defendants who were denied due process and I'm also sympathetic to any who did not realize the seriousness of what they were doing, although I think you would have to be low grade moron to fall into that category.
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Anony Mous
So called free speech zones have long been a contentious issue and imho wouldn’t pass scrutiny. Which they didn’t in this case. The legal arguments are interesting, hence why I said, the legal standard that needs to be reached should be very high. I’m talking purely the legal arguments of the case, nobody says they didn’t go on the grounds and nobody says some weren’t violent.
The question is legally theory of who committed a misdemeanor (very few were convicted under said standard, the prosecutors went immediately for felony), felony (most were charged with felonies and even military offenses like treason) or the protest on the grounds was legally permitted under first amendment (which is eventually what SCOTUS, congress and the current DOJ held was the standard).
Rounding everyone up in the way they were, charging them without due process is the problem, that is why they were pardoned, not because they didn’t do anything wrong per se (that was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt for the majority of people) but because they were denied their civil rights under Biden.
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Duran
how you act has as a human being.
What does acting like a human being mean to you? Do you want humans that break/ignore laws to come across country borders illegally? Or do you want humans that follow laws and come across legally?
So is someone going to have a word with Trump about his lawlessness?
What has he done that was lawless?
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jhine
On Jan 6th over 130 people were injured, including police officers and some injuries were serious . Just how peaceful was that protest ?
On the subject of Trump's hypocrisy he has been found guilty on 34 charges , he IS a convicted felon
I know that his supporters will forgive him anything even his sexual " indiscretions" but to the rest of the world he is a criminal and hypocrite.
Jam from Tam
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Vanderhoven7
Well, some people think very highly of Mr. Trump.
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DesirousOfChange
On the subject of Trump's hypocrisy he has been found guilty on 34 charges , he IS a convicted felon
One by one all of the court cases against Trump are being tossed on appeal. If you or I had been subjected to this
prosecutionpersecution we would be sitting in jail because we would be unable to afford the cost of appeals. Fortunately for him, Trump is a billionaire (and has enough supporters who keep contributing) and is thus able to "push it to the limit" on every case. The attorneys fees would probably be enough to fund an actual war. His administration faced 225 lawsuits in the first 100 days.I hope to see Tish James and Fat Ass Fani (add to the list Alvin Bragg and a few activist judges) both bankrupted and sitting in a cell as it's what they attempted to do to him. Karma can be a bitch.
(Jan, I was late getting back to the party but I think Anonymous gave a comprehensive reply to your question.)
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Anony Mous
Also, Trump wasn’t convicted, most of the court cases were not criminal, tossed or the one in NY the judge never even sentenced him. And now one of the networks (ABC?) has been sued and must pay Trump damages and publicly apologized for calling him a ‘convicted felon’ which BECAUSE it is untrue is defamation.
As for the J6 damages, you should be able to prove that rather than just tossing out random numbers. According to FactCheck.org, there were of the about 1700 police officers and about that many of ‘peaceful’ (CNN’s definition, not mine) protesters, 1 protestor died from a stroke on the day before the event started, 1 was murdered by police, 2 police officers died from heart attacks days or even weeks later, 4 from suicide, some months later. That is stretching the definition of cause and effect, even the chief of police said he could not link the deaths of any officers to the riots. Also, there was a nearly 1:1 ratio for police to protestors, not sure how they would have gotten or caused hundreds of injuries, they could have arrested them all on the spot, they’re really unfit or again, you stretch the definition of injury to include that the report actually says the union reported that many feeling sick or injured the next day, this does not seem to be linked to any evidence, of the 170+ reported only a handful were deposed to testify to the fact they were injured, one infamous example was the (rather rotund) officer that was on camera to have simply tripped while walking by himself that day.