2019 Elders Manual and a Whole Lot More!

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  • Atlantis

    The drinks are on the house for all of you!

    After all....

    You all are really the best!

    That should do for starters!


  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    Thanks to whoever leaked this! Well done Atlantis and the underground!!

  • newsheep

    Why would the org want to know on record if a disfellowshipped or disassociated person is deceased? That is really bizarre

  • smiddy3

    Thanks Atlantis and jwleaks ,I`ll drink to that .And I thank the Universe for the Internet in this day & age.

  • jonahstourguide

    Well, Farmer Atlantis Extraordinaire.

    The fruits of your farming activities are appreciated to the max.

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    Incredible male/female/personage irrespective of years.......


  • Listener

    Thanks Atlantis, much appreciated.

    Here are some thoughts on some of the rulings found in the Shepherding Book. In many instances they continue to list a number of questions that the Elders should consider but don't even explain why they should consider those things. My guess is that examples are given at the special Elder schools and they list those in their books. This makes it seem like the organization is not so dogmatic.

    Their appears to be a change in attitude about Elder's children living at home, this includes adult children.

    If a brother’s wife or child, including an adult child living in his home, is involved in serious wrongdoing, the body should seek to determine whether the brother was negligent...Allows Disfellowshipped or Disassociated Family Member to Move Into His Home:...Similar questions should be considered when an adult child living at home is disfellowshipped or disassociated and allowed to remain in the home.

    No review is required as to why an Elder would continue to allow his son or daughter who is not yet an adult to live at home, it is only required when an child who is not an adult and wants to move back into the home. This is a big change and would suggest that there is no direction from the organization that a non adult child should be kicked out, even by an Elder.

    31...Elders do not generally involve themselves in what an individual does with regard to petty gambling solely for entertainment. However, if such petty gambling affects his spirituality or becomes a cause of stumbling for others, counsel should be given.

    It looks like this is new too. It's okay to gamble as long as it is for entertainment purposes. That weekly scratchie is a go, but you are not allowed to sell them, even as an employee.

    Included is a new example of when two witnesses are not required in a situation.

    An exception may be made, however, if the unbeliever privately makes an unambiguous confession of adultery to the Christian mate. In such a case, if the innocent Christian mate believes that the confession is true and does not wish to reconcile, he can submit a letter to the elders outlining his situation...If there is no known reason to conclude otherwise, the innocent mate can be allowed to take responsibility before Jehovah for obtaining a Scriptural divorce; if he remarries, no judicial action will be taken.

    There also appears to be some new circumstances in which a adulterer can seek remarriage. The Elders can determine that the innocent mate demonstrates their rejection of the adulterer and includes -

    76.2 The innocent mate signs a divorce decree or in some other way indicates he does not object to a divorce initiated by the guilty mate, either before or after learning of the adultery.
    76.3 Though verbally expressing forgiveness and not seeking a divorce, the innocent mate refuses to resume sexual relations for a very prolonged period of time, a year or even years.

    Both these rulings are interesting. In point No. 2 if the innocent party has indicated that they were agreeable to a divorce without even knowing their partner committed adultery the adulterer is free to remarry. This means that the adulterer is given a lot of power in the situation and does not allow for a change of mind from the innocent party.

    Point No. 3 also hands over power to the adulterer.

    There are many marriages where sex is withheld and for lesser reasons than the other mate having cheated, yet there is no freedom there for remarriage. This ruling is an injustice to them. The adulterer could continue to make life just that little bit unpleasant for the partner that desire for sexual relations is impossible to resume. I can imagine a situation that an innocent partner with children and very dependent on the adulterer is willing to forgive but is made to feel ugly/unwanted/undesirable and having sex can feel like a complete violation of their own body.

  • LV101

    Atlantis is awesome! Thank you - don't know if I could stomach reading it but will appreciate reading everyone's comments.

  • baldeagle

    Thanks Atlantis, your hard work is much appreciated.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    Regarding the new Shepherd The Flock book...if the J W religion is such a Spiritual Paradise why is there a chapter 12 & 15 on judicial hearings and committees regarding wrongdoing and a chapter 13 on pornography...then a chapter 14 on child abuse.

    There must be alot of misbehaving and impropriety among the ranks of this religion for there to be soo much written about it!

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    ...much thanks to Atlantis and team for sharing!

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