Were can you find Jesus' witnesses?

by Kosonen 30 Replies latest jw friends

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    EasyPrompt, correct,"The Bible is clear that there will be a great crowd of non-believers who survive the great tribulation"

    The great crowd unlike WT teaching are last minute survivors that survive the GT. They are like the large crowd of Egyptians and other non Jews that followed Moses out of Egypt In the days of Exodus.

    Exodus 12:37,38:KJV "37And the children of Israel(=Jews) journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. 38And a mixed multitude(=Great crowd of non Jews) went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle"

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    EasyPrompt correct,

    The 2 Witnesses are not Moses or Elijah based on this verse which is also a KEY in understanding their identity:

    Matt 11:24:"And if you are willing to accept it(=the kingdom of God), he(=John the Baptist) is the Elijah who was to come"

    So, had the Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah they would have entered into the 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation and John the Baptist would have assumed the role of an End Time Witness like the 2 witnesses of Revelation. Since they never accepted Jesus these 3 1/2 are missing and of course they will happen in the near future when 2 specific individuals fashioned after Moses and Elijah will assume this role like John the Baptist did.

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    Since we are on the subject of the "Witnesses for Jesus" I don't believe the 2 witnesses or the 144,000 are doing this witnessing.

    There is an unidentified group of anointed Christians that will have to preach "these good news of the kingdom and then the END will come ". Since the End is a specific period of 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation, this witnessing will have to take place during a peaceful time.These are the first 3 1/2 years of the "Peace and Security" that will be time of peace on the planet under the supervision of the Antichrist when he makes the "covenant with the many" at the begining of the last "week" of 7 years period according to Daniel.

    Daniel 9:27:" And he(=the Antichrist) shall make a strong covenant(=peace & security) with many(=Babylon the Great) for one week(=of 7 years), and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering"

  • EasyPrompt

    Hi, @RaymondFrantz🙂

    It is while the religions are saying "peace and security" that they are attacked by the governments of the nations. It isn't the governments that will say "peace and security". The context of First Thessalonians shows that Paul was talking about religious people saying "peace and security" and then being attacked by the governments.

    "Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night." (1 Thessalonians 5:1,2)

    The JWborg incorrectly said that "the day of Jehovah" (when Jesus began ruling in the kingdom and tossed the Devil out of heaven) was in 1914. But Jesus said "no man knows the day or the hour" the kingdom would begin - nobody could calculate the start time.

    "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

    Just like in the first century, the Jews in Jerusalem thought they were safe but then Rome got them, so it will be the same for the religious institutions today. For example, the JWborg thinks that the UN will attack Jehovah's Witnesses last, but they are wrong. They are spiritually asleep and spiritually drunk on the false teachings of the GB/FDS.

    "But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness. So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But as for us who belong to the day, let us keep our senses and put on the breastplate of faith and love and the hope of salvation as a helmet because God assigned us, not to wrath, but to the acquiring of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:1-9)

    Since the GB/FDS told Jehovah's Witnesses that Jesus already became king in 1914 and the Devil is already cast out of heaven, the JWborg is asleep as to what is about to happen. The JWborg has said "to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here," that Jesus has already been ruling as king in heaven and the Devil has already been cast down since 1914/1918.

    "However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here." (2 Thessalonians 2:1,2)

    They are "the man of lawlessness". The GB/FDS "sit down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god." The GB/FDS demand that people obey them as ruler ahead of God. Anyone who puts God first gets "disfellowshipped." The GB/FDS are apostates. They have apostatized from the healthful teachings of the Christ. They are antichrists.

    "Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?" (2 Thessalonians 2:3-5)

    In Revelation, the angels are depicted as holding back the winds of destruction from Babylon the Great until all the anointed are sealed. Once the anointed are all sealed, the angels let go of their restraint.

    "And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. That is why God lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:3-12)

    The "powerful work" of the JWborg leaders includes presenting lots of numbers - "look at all this growth!" And the lying signs include things like "look, 1914, there was a war! We were right about 1914!" But the truth is that Jesus did not start ruling in 1914.


    Soon Jesus will be enthroned in heaven.

    Then Satan will be kicked out of heaven and Satan will get the UN to attack religion, starting with those who claim to be God's Name People, Jehovah's Witnesses - all their real estate and properties will be "devoured" by the nations.

    At that point we'll see that evidence of the great tribulation started, of the UN attacking religion, and we'll know Jesus has at last been enthroned in heaven.

    So then we preach the good news that the Kingdom is in power in heaven.

    At that time all of us who know these things and speak about them will be witnesses for Jesus.

    That witnessing work will be done under difficult conditions. The two specific witnesses mentioned in Revelation 11:2,3 are said to preach while "dressed in sackcloth".

    "But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months. I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth."

    It won't be only those two specific witnesses who are "in sackcloth". All of us witnessing about Jesus at that time will be under extreme pressure because the UN will have banned all religion.

    "If anyone has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones." (Revelation 13:9,10)

    We will have the angels helping us to announce the good news during that time of the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation.

    "This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)

    There is a lot of work to do ahead!🙂 Good thing Jesus is the one taking the lead!

    Jesus said "I will be with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." (Matthew 28:20)

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    Easy prompt, yes the religious people will be crying Peace & Security because they will enter into a Covenant with the Antichrist. Babylon the Great will enter into an uneasy Peace with the Antichrst for the first 3 1/2 years only to be attacked in the 2nd part of the week when the Antichrist announces himself to be a god according to the Thessalonians

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz


    You can not be serious that the "man of lawlessness " is the GB!!!! Are you a follower of Robert King and his nonsense??? Jehovah's Witnesses are a nasty little cult with ZERO impact on Prophesy.

    The verse clearly talks about a MAN , he appears in the Bible under many different titles:;Antichrist the beast, man of lawlessness etc.

    He sits in the Temple of God announcing himself to be a god like Antiochus Epiphanes did in the days of the Maccabess

    There are no half wit, confused Jehovah's Witnesses running around in the Great Tribulation. They will most likely be shipped at the very beginjng to a FEMA CAMP or be killed by the NWO.

    Both scenarios have been made into convention videos in recent years by the Watchtower.Remember the video about hiding in thr bunker only to be captured by the NWO police? OR this years video where they are told to go to the nearest UN refugee camp? They condition their followers for their upcoming execution by the NWO.

    Wake up, and abandon the JW centric explanation of the End Times!!!

  • smiddy3

    When people in this world stop taking what the Bible says as gospel " truth" we can all move on and prosper and not be kept back by religious superstition.

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    smiddy3, like the prosperity we enjoy right now having abandon gospel truth for the past 50-70years?

  • EasyPrompt

    I am definitely not a follower of Robert King! Lol🤣🤣🤣 I did go to visit his forum once and he kicked me out right away because I called him out on wanting to be worshipped just like the GB.

    Israel was a small nation, but they played into Bible prophecy. The congregations of Revelation 2 and 3 represent all of the Christian groups who claim to trace their roots to the first century Christian congregation, in other words, anyone who claims to be Christian. But which group among them has falsely prophesied about Jesus already coming in 1914 and misled millions and their leaders claimed to be gods in the way they put their own rules ahead of God's while claiming to be His Name People? There are some specific fulfillments on the JWborg because they have reproached Jehovah's name to an extreme degree while claiming to represent Jehovah Himself by Name, but all the religious institutions are included in the prophecies regarding the attack on religious institutions.

    All the religions will be "disciplined" by the attack on religious institutions. Jesus will gather true Christians to true worship from wherever they can be found, whether they are in a church of Christendom or isolated somewhere or a Jehovah's Witness or whatever.

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz


    All the religions will be "disciplined" by the attack on religious institutions. Jesus will gather true Christians to true worship from wherever they can be found, whether they are in a church of Christendom or isolated somewhere or a Jehovah's Witness or whatever.

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