When is a theory 'just a theory'?

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  • HB
    HB

    The titles of Cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "Evolution is a fact...".

    Richard Dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.

    The following may be of interest, it's from the BBC website - part of a regular series of articles called 'The vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-35499049

    The Vocabularist: When is a theory 'just a theory'?

    A Lancashire headmistress attracted fury with a tweet in which she said "evolution is not a fact; that's why it's called a theory".

    In ancient Greece, theoroi meant something like "observers".

    They were envoys sent by city-states to consult oracles, to give offerings at famous shrines or attend festivals.

    Theoria was a word for their duties. It came to mean any act of observing, and was used by Greek philosophers, generally, in the sense of "contemplation".

    Contemplating something does not challenge it - it strives to understand it, whether it is Pythagoras's theorem (theorema in Greek was an object of theoria) or some perceived divine truth.

    Still today, when we take a driving theory test we are not studying a school of thought about driving which may be discredited, but general considerations on which good practice is based.

    But sometimes theory means an opinion, a suggestion which may be disproved in practice - "only a theory".

    This week a former director of public prosecutions criticised police who "believed a theory at the start of the case… We don't want the police deciding what the truth is before the investigation starts".

    This definition of theory as something subject to disproof or challenge is deeply and honourably rooted in scientific tradition - in the practice of testing explanations by discovery or experiment.

    "Theory and experiment", the 18th Century chemist Joseph Priestley wrote, "go hand in hand".

    And Darwin in his Origin of Species wrote that new discoveries could "annihilate my theory".

    Scientists are proud of the principle that their beliefs can be tested and challenged, not accepted as a matter of faith - that in the words of Darwin's champion TH Huxley, a beautiful hypothesis can be slain by an "ugly fact".

    But when opponents interpret this to mean evolution - or at least Darwin's doctrine of natural selection - is just one competing opinion, his supporters deny this.

    Some theories, scientific bodies say, are "the foundations of human understanding of nature" and "based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment".

    But Richard Dawkins points out that scientists themselves use the word with different meanings.

    "Trying to clear up this terminological point about the meaning of 'theory' is a losing battle," he says.

    He says we should call evolution a "fact" because, "the evidence for evolution is so strong that to withhold assent would be perverse".

  • Je.suis.oisif
    Je.suis.oisif

    @ HB. A theory is just a theory. Evolution is theory. Faith can be put in the same category. Belief in a superior being takes just as much faith as believing in evolution.

    Now, moving on to facts and absolute truths. There is no grey areas, no space for interpretation or perspective. No semantics to appear superior or put others down. Even if that was not ones intention.

    Good post. Thanks

  • OneEyedJoe
    OneEyedJoe

    A theory is just a theory. Evolution is theory. Faith can be put in the same category. Belief in a superior being takes just as much faith as believing in evolution.

    If you believe that evolution being a theory means that it's merely one explanation, then I invite you to jump off a cliff. The theory of gravitation is, afterall, just a theory.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Biological evolution started out as a theory, now its accepted as fact through decades of various kinds of tests and scientific inquiries upon physical evidence.

  • Je.suis.oisif
    Je.suis.oisif

    OneEyedJoe. Good point. Ha ha.

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose



    1. the·o·ry
      [ˈTHirē]

      NOUN

    A coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanations and predictions for a class of phenomena.

    Einstein's theory of relativity.
    Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    If one were to pull apart and investigate ancient mythological expressions, they too could be categorized as theories as well, the difference between two rests upon one being derived from huamn hearsay and the other upon physical evidence.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    "A coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanations and predictions for a class of phenomena.

    Einstein's theory of relativity."
    The above is the scientific use of the word 'theory'. We could add more scientific theories to the above - the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution.
    Outside of the scientific community, the word 'theory' is used in general, layman terms to mean something like idea, belief or even hunch.
    Dawkins suggesting using the word 'fact' to describe an established theory is contentious - it seems Dawkins is reaching peoples' conclusions for them. I can see why this may get up peoples' noses.
  • RedPillPopper
    RedPillPopper
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe something starts as a hypothesis, meaning "I think this is true". Then if under the scientific method it is proved true it becomes a theory and from then on the theory is "Ok this is true, what more can we learn about it"?
  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    @RPP

    It all starts with a question. A testable hypothesis, usually a null hypothesis ('there is no significant difference between ...'), is formed to answer the question. Then data are collected. If the data show significant differences the null hypothesis is rejected.

    Hypotheses that are supported by data become established theories. It's all provisional, subject to data (empirical evidence). If new evidence comes to light that is against evolution, the scientific community would abandon the theory. Obviously, this hasn't happened.

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