Jesus tempted by Satan, real or just a vision.

by pleaseresearch 31 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • pleaseresearch
    pleaseresearch

    So I was talking with my brother the other day about the above.

    He said to me he actually did a talk on this and said that Watchtower thinks that Satan leading Jesus to the high mountain and to the top of the temple could have been visions.

    If this was real then this would never have happened in Watchtower world. Not with their shunning policy. Me and my brother seldom communicate sadly, but no way would we go anywhere for fear of being seen with an inactive JW for over 10 years.

    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-simplified-march-2016/questions-from-readers/

    From the website:

    When Satan tried to tempt Jesus, did he actually take Jesus to the temple, or did he show the temple to Jesus in a vision?

    We do not know for sure how Satan showed the temple to Jesus.

    The Bible writers Matthew and Luke both wrote about what happened. Matthew said that “the Devil took” Jesus to Jerusalem and “stationed him on the battlement of the temple,” that is, the “highest point” of the temple. (Matthew 4:5; footnote) Luke said that the Devil “led him into Jerusalem and stationed him on the battlement of the temple.”—Luke 4:9.

    In the past, our publications said that Satan may not have physically taken Jesus to the temple when he tried to tempt him. The Watchtower of March 1, 1961, compared this to when Satan tried to tempt Jesus by showing him all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain. It said that there is no mountain that is high enough for someone to be able to see all the kingdoms of the world. The Watchtower then said that in the same way, Satan probably did not physically take Jesus to the real temple. However, later articles in The Watchtower said that if Jesus had jumped off the temple, he could have been killed.

    Some say that since Jesus was not a Levite, he would not have been allowed to stand on top of the temple sanctuary. So they say that Satan must have tried to tempt Jesus using a vision. Hundreds of years earlier, Ezekiel was also taken to a temple in a vision.—Ezekiel 8:3, 7-10; 11:1, 24; 37:1, 2.

    But if Jesus was taken to the temple in a vision, some may wonder:

    • Would Jesus really have felt tempted to jump off the temple?

    • The other times Satan tried to tempt Jesus, he asked Jesus to turn real stones into real bread and wanted Jesus to do a real act of worship to him. So is it possible that Satan also wanted Jesus to jump off the real temple?

    But if Satan did not use a vision and took Jesus to the real temple, then some may wonder:

    • Did Jesus break the Law by standing on top of the temple sanctuary?

    • How did Jesus get from the wilderness to the temple in Jerusalem?

    Let us consider some additional information that will help us answer these last two questions.

    Professor D. A. Carson wrote that the Greek word for “temple” used in Matthew and Luke probably referred to the entire temple area and not just to the sanctuary, an area where only Levites were allowed to go. The southeastern corner of the temple area had a flat roof that was the highest in the temple. Jesus could have been placed on that roof. The distance from that point to the bottom of the Kidron Valley was about 140 meters (450 feet). The historian Josephus said that this area was so high that if a person stood there and looked down, he “would become dizzy.” Even though Jesus was not a Levite, he could have stood there and nobody would have objected.

    But how could Jesus get from the wilderness to the temple in Jerusalem? We do not know for sure. The Bible simply says that Jesus was taken to Jerusalem. It does not say how far Jesus was from Jerusalem or how long he was tempted by Satan. So it is possible that Jesus walked to Jerusalem, even though this may have taken a long time.

    When Satan showed Jesus “all the kingdoms of the world,” he probably used a vision, because it is not possible to see all these kingdoms from any mountain on earth. This may have been similar to the way we can use a movie screen to show someone pictures of other parts of the world. Satan may have used a vision, but he actually wanted Jesus to bow down and worship him. (Matthew 4:8, 9) So when Satan took Jesus to the temple, it is possible that he actually wanted Jesus to risk his life by jumping off the temple. But Jesus rejected him. How much more of a temptation this would have been than if Jesus had only been tempted in a vision!

    So it is possible that Jesus actually went to Jerusalem and stood on the highest point of the temple. Of course, as was said at the beginning of this article, we do not know for sure exactly how Satan showed the temple to Jesus. But we can be sure that Satan kept trying to get Jesus to do something wrong and that each time, Jesus firmly rejected him.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Like everything else contained in the story of Jesus its fictional.

    Jesus Christ the returning Messiah is fictional mythology.

    One way we can tell its fictional is when Jesus proclaimed to the generation that many will not experience death.

    Well his Kingdom didn't come as he spoke to the generation of that time.

    In other words the writers of this story screwed up a little when they wrote that.

    Ironically people are still waiting for his promised kingdom.

  • venus
    venus

    WT got it wrongly because the very fact that Satan and Jesus went to the top of the mountain/temple to see the kingdoms of the whole earth betrays their belief of flat earth which was the prevalent view of his time—a view that would not have been held by Jesus and Satan if the temptation account and Satan were real.

    Account is clearly the imagination of the writers. Interestingly, in other cultures God’s supposed spokespersons are shown as saying ‘do not face the temptation, but avoid it’ which is a more prudent option.

  • pleaseresearch
    pleaseresearch

    I just don't see it being a vision, when the bible is clear when it's a vision.

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000
    Like everything else contained in the story of Jesus its fictional.

    And even if Jesus was a real person, Satan is fictional.

    But I think the writer of this story meant it as a literal thing. Why would he say that Satan took Jesus to the highest mountain to look at all the kingdoms if it was just a vision? Then he could have that vision without going anywhere.

    Now, of course the writer of the story was ignorant, and believed that the world was flat like folks did at that time, and thought that you could then see all the kingdoms from the highest mountain.

  • EverApostate
    EverApostate

    Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

    The problem with this story is that the earth must be flat for it to work. From a tall mountain it is impossible to see "all the kingdoms." Even standing on Mt. Everest, the tallest mountain on earth, the farthest you could see is 250 miles to the horizon [ref]. Yet we know that at the time of Jesus, there were thriving kingdoms in China, India, South America, Europe, etc. So clearly this story could not have happened.

    This account in the Bible was written by some guy who thought that the earth was flat.

    For any modern man, this is the most ridiculous and Bizarre event to believe, hence see how the “GB twist masters” give an Explanation about this in their “Greatest Man” book.

    Satan showed Jesus, all the Kingdoms of the Earth through some “miraculous means”

    So the GB here Override what the Bible says. Blatant attempt to mask what the Bible says. Isn’t this Blasphemy ? Trying to Outsmart Jehovah?

    I pointed this out to couple of elders, while I was still in. Still they blindly supported the GB’s explanation

  • pleaseresearch
    pleaseresearch

    Was interesting reading this bit. How many times do they mention The Watchtower. Forget what any edition of the WT says or said, what does the bible say. Ezekiel was clear saying it was a vision. Matthew and Luke did not.

    In the past, our publications said that Satan may not have physically taken Jesus to the temple when he tried to tempt him. The Watchtower of March 1, 1961, compared this to when Satan tried to tempt Jesus by showing him all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain. It said that there is no mountain that is high enough for someone to be able to see all the kingdoms of the world. The Watchtower then said that in the same way, Satan probably did not physically take Jesus to the real temple. However, later articles in The Watchtower said that if Jesus had jumped off the temple, he could have been killed.

  • waton
    waton

    For the view of all the kingdoms to be possible, it must have been "on a clear day, when you can see forever", and

    a flat Earth. both a myth. we can not see further back than 13.8 billion years, and we have a space horizon too.

  • Whynot
    Whynot

    Satan isn't an actual being. He's used to represent the evil in ourselves.

    Jesus was alone and hadn't eaten. He could have been daydreaming or fantisizing about the things he desired but he stopped himself. Deep down inside he wanted to give in to his selfish desires but he resisted.

  • EverApostate
    EverApostate
    Satan isn't an actual being. He's used to represent the evil in ourselves

    How come Satan is having a bet with Jehovah then ? As in the book of Job

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