Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE

BoogerMan

Study Watchtower, p. 10 par. 6 - "A ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back. (True!) When he sinned, he forfeited the prospect of everlasting life not only for himself but also for (nearly) all his children. (True!) In order to buy back what Adam lost*, Jesus offered his own perfect life as a sacrifice. (True!) At the time of his death, Jesus’ perfect life corresponded exactly to the life Adam lost." (True!)

*Despite these Biblical facts, the org dismisses them all with their narrative that Jesus' life exceeded the value of Adam's life and will generously promote 1000's of Adam's descendants to the status of immortal, Melchizedek king/priests! (no mention of this huge anomaly in the article, though) 🤣

Sea Breeze

Booger Man,

I'm not sure if you are saying that you believe the Wt's story about Jesus purchasing something that Adam lost.

If you are, I have to disagree.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. - 2 Cor. 5: 21

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3: 18 KJV

Jesus trades places with each believer and pays the death penalty price (ransom) for them - for their sin, not Adam's. While the ransom payment of death (the wages of sin is death) is avaialable to all, God respects the choice not to receive it as well. The word "might" in both the verses above refers to whether or not an individual person receives the payment or not.

StephaneLaliberte

That's just another place where the bible doesn't make sense. God decided to create things in such a way that Adam's sins would be passed on to his children. That's not fair.

What is fair is what's written in Ezekiel 18:20: "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them."

And then, we blame religions when they talk out of both side of their mouth, but that's exactly what the bible does. In one verse, don't blame the kids for the parents actions and then, you have the ransom which is exactly that! God's design that holds blame from one generation to the next for thousands of years.

Sea Breeze

God decided to create things in such a way that Adam's sins would be passed on to his children. That's not fair.

When Adam fell, he fell all the way body, spirit & soul.... everything was disconnected from the Source of Life and decay (entrophy) set in. Since the earth was under the jurisdiction of Adam, it fell too; and entrophy set in there as well. Everything changed.

Although the losses were great, none of the losses in my opinion compares to the loss of the greatest gift of all - the ability to choose. Hostility toward God became embedded in human nature, outside of our choice.

Because of the deity, death, and resurrection of Jesus - choice was restored. Now we don't have to wonder whether or not we would have taken the fruit like Eve. Each of us now gets a choice, as if there wasn't any death penalty hanging over our head.

Rattigan350

Why do these details matter? We are born, we live and we die. Our understanding and acceptance of that won't change that. The only thing that will change that is if God and/or Jesus does something about it.

Sea Breeze

Why do these details matter? We are born, we live and we ~~die~~ (become separated from our bodies)

Instead, I say that we are confident and willing to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Cor. 5:8 MEV

This is why it matters. Because you are made in the eternal image of God, you will be conscious forever. Are you willing to be present with the Lord when you die Rattigan?

Beth Sarim

Another place where the Bible doesn't make sense?

You start to realize that its man made.

You get these contradictions through-out it.

Sea Breeze

Study Watchtower, p. 10 par. 6 - "A ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.

In its simpliest biblical context, it means simply the price of freedom.

Websters - 1828 Edition

Ransom

RAN'SOM, noun

1. The money or price paid for the redemption of a prisoner or slave, or for goods captured by an enemy; that which procures the release of a prisoner or captive, or of captured property, and restores the one to liberty and the other to the original owner.

BoogerMan

@ Sea Breeze - According to Matt.20:28, Jesus replaced Adam as mankind's "eternal father," by his ransom.

Adam's act brought death to the whole of mankind - individually and collectively - while Jesus' act restored what was lost, life.

1 Corinthians 15:45) “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

The point of the post was to state the obvious - no one with 2 brain-cells could ever claim with a straight face that a ransom ever buys back far more than what was lost. (except of course a cult!)

Sea Breeze

Thanks for the clarification BM.

The WT tries to say that since death was a corporate affair, then the offer of life is also a corporate affair. They liken salvation to getting in an ark....aka their organization/church.

They connect the dots by saying you have to find the right religion to get salvation. In reality, all a person has to do is find Jesus. And, he is not far from anyone.

Hebrews 9: 27 says that everyone will be individually judged. In other words, we won't be judged based on what we did with a religion. We will be judged based on what we did with Jesus. Salvation (and Judgment) is a very private affair.

That was my point.

Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE

Websters - 1828 Edition

Ransom

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