Hmmmm whats more passe.... fulltime students posts regarding how great communist china is or his new found hatred of trump....
Sometimes I am very puzzled ...!!!
by fulltimestudent 18 Replies latest jw friends
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fulltimestudent
_Morpheus : _Hmmmm whats more passe.... fulltime students posts regarding how great communist china is or his new found hatred of trump....
What an interesting insight into your mind, _Morpheus. Apparently you think that asking a question, is an expression of hatred? Why do you think that? Most of the world is genuinely puzzled by this man, so why cant I be puzzled? Particularly so, when there seems little evidence to back his claim
You link that statement with an observation that I post "how great communist China is." Aside from the fact that China can hardly be called 'communist,' (except in the name of the governing Party) do you think that everyone should ignore the rise of China? The USA certainly does not. Just two examples:
Ford have just announced that the factory they cancelled in Mexico (when Trump leaned on them), will not be built in the USA, but that they will now expand one of their factories in China and ramp up production of cars there, and also ramp up production of another car in Europe and both those factories will export to the USA.
The second example is Boeing. Boeing have not (it seems) ever produced planes outside of the USA, but the Chinese aviation market is forecast to be so large and Boeing risked being left behind by Airbus, who have been making planes in China for some years, So Boeing have agreed to start making planes in China, a factory site has been purchased, and I understand construction of the factory is underway.
You suggest in your post, that noting such events is somehow wrong. Why so?
No other country has ever lifted so many out of poverty in such a short time. China just cannot be ignored.
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Jehalapeno
No other country has ever lifted so many out of poverty in such a short time.
Are you talking about the United States consuming Chinese goods and thus bolstering the Chinese economy? Because without the consumer market of the US, China's economy would be crap.
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shepherdless
I have watched news in the Middle East quite closely for some time. This blockade mess for Qatar (called the "Qatarstrophie" by some joker in Lebanon) should be getting more news coverage than it does. There must be a significant chance (say 30%?) that Saudi Arabia will invade Qatar in the next 2-3 weeks. That will probably bring Saudi Arabia into direct military conflict with a NATO member (Turkey) that has been flying troops in. Iran may possibly get involved, as Qatar and Iran share one of the world's largest gas fields and has a deal with Qatar to help develop it. This has the possibility (not yet the probability) of being a major mess, and war.
US Secretary of Defence and Sectretary of State are all saying and doing the right thing to de-escalate, but Trump has undermined them with silly tweets. Trump is not the cause of this mess, but could probably solve everything with a phone call. Will he?
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fulltimestudent
As a further response to Morpheus, who posted,
"Hmmmm whats more passe.... fulltime students posts (about) his new found hatred of trump...."
He may like to consider the significance of this statement in the UK Guardian (Australian web edition)
More than three-quarters of the world has little or no confidence in Donald J. Trump's global leadership and his signature policies, with support for the American presidency collapsing fastest among America’s traditional allies, new polling by the Pew Research Centre shows.
Link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/trump-world-global-pew-research-study?CMP=soc_567
For me, its not a matter of 'hating', but of analysis. Is he (or any other poliie, in any country) making sense?
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_Morpheus
"Aside from the fact that China can hardly be called 'communist,' (except in the name of the governing Party)"
sigh.... im sure english isnt your first language but do you inderstand what you wrote...? China isnt communist execpt for that fact that they call themselves communist.... i just cant do this with you. If you want to worship chairman mao you go right ahead but you wont convince the rest of the world that the Chinese communists are anything but Chinese communists.
The world still remembers Tiananmen square
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LoveUniHateExams
@Fulltimestudent
China is a one party state. The Communist Party of China is the only choice.
Political dissidents in China are treated with extreme prejudice.
Classic features of socialism/communism.
The Chinese government is against ...
1. free access to the internet
2. free press
3. freedom of religion
4. the right to have more than one child.
America has all these things, and more.
Red China or America under Trump?
Gimme that idiot Trump any day.
More than three-quarters of the world has little or no confidence in Donald J. Trump's global leadership and his signature policies - Trump is US president. His primary responsibility is to US citizens. The statement in The Guardian has little, if any, significance.
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fulltimestudent
What evidence is there that Qatar promotes terrorism more than say Saudi Arabia?
Not much, but we learn that one of the demands of the alliance of Arab states attacking Qatar, is that the Qatar govt. should close down the Al Jazeera News Agency (which some regard as one of the most independent News sources in west Asia). Now given Mr Trump's bias against independent news sources that may explain a lot.
Now think about this BBC news item today:
Saudi Arabia has 'clear link' to UK extremism, report says.
Link to that story: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40496778
Where does that leave Mr Trump? Is he supporting a nation (Saudi Arabia) that has promoted Muslim extremism in the UK?
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fulltimestudent
Its off my topic, but hell, let's analyse this comment (from above) by a poster:
"sigh.... im sure english isnt your first language but do you inderstand what you wrote...? China isnt communist execpt for that fact that they call themselves communist.... i just cant do this with you. If you want to worship chairman mao you go right ahead but you wont convince the rest of the world that the Chinese communists are anything but Chinese communists."
OK. Labels are interesting, arn't they. Let's take another label, say "christian." Thousands of groups claim that label? Are they all the same? No need to answer, its clear that between the JW extreme on one hand, and the Catholic and the Orthodox church extreme, about the only thing in common is that they use the bible and believe in Jesus,
So now lets define a starting point to see how much understanding of reality exists in the poster's cited above.
The poster did not bother to define what he meant by 'communist,' so let's do that first. We could use this Livescience definition:
https://www.livescience.com/42980-what-is-communism.html - part of which says:
"Though the term "communism" can refer to specific political parties, at its core, communism is an ideology of economic equality through the elimination of private property. ... The beliefs of communism, most famously expressed by Karl Marx, center on the idea that inequality and suffering result from capitalism. Under capitalism, private business people and corporations own all the factories, equipment and other resources called "the means of production. These owners, according to communist doctrine, can then exploit workers, who are forced sell their labor for wages."
So I don't know which narrow strip of land that the referred to poster thinks is the "whole world, " but the fact is that China could certainly once have been called 'communist,' but with the death of Mao, and the elevation of Deng Xiao Ping to leadership of China, there also came a change in the faction controlling the government. Mao had called Deng and others like him, "capitalist roaders." Why? Clearly because they argued against the centrally controlled economic planning that was then in use.
Deng was pragmatic, that is, he advocated that whatever worked best, was the right thing to do. So today we find that more than half of the vast Chinese economy is controlled by what some call 'private enterprise.' That is, the government does not own them.
Just one example, while the above poster may think that his imagined communist Chinese government owns General Motors, they plainly do not. Now he likely does not know it, but General Motors in China seems to be selling more cars in China, than it does in the USA. Is that communism?
Slate*, an on-line news magazine, which the above poster likely thinks is a COMMUNIST magazine, looked at the question of whether China was still communist and concluded:
"General Motors sold more cars in China than in the United States in the first half of 2010, and China now accounts for one-quarter of the company's global sales. That seems like a lot of capitalism for a country that calls itself communist. How communist is China, really?
Not very. Since the end of the Cultural Revolution in 1976, China has all but abandoned the tenets of classical marxism, including collective ownership of the means of production. Nowadays, just about everything is at least partly privatized. Whereas the Chinese Communist Party under Chairman Mao owned every factory and farm in the nation, the economy is now a patchwork of public and private businesses."Source:
* Slate was created in 1996 by former New Republic editor Michael Kinsley, initially under the ownership of Microsoft as part of MSN. On 21 December 2004, it was purchased by The Washington Post Company, later renamed the Graham Holdings Company. Since 4 June 2008, Slate has been managed by The Slate Group, an online publishing entity created by the Graham Holdings Company to develop and manage web-only magazines. Slate is based in New York City, with an additional office in Washington, DC.