Psalm 37:29

by paulw21 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  gumby

  God had in mind since the beginning of mans fall...........actually BEFORE MANS FALL, to have certain ones reign with his son over the earth. It wasn't until 1935 that he decided to inform his small class of true christians that this was so, and that there would be a second group.

  All of the thousands of years prior to 1935 he wanted to keep this a secret until a man would be born and he would tell him. His name was Joseph Rutherford. He printed a book and told the small group of christians in 1935 that god had in mind something in mind that the jews believed all along. They believed they would rise again to a ressurection on earth. He thought, and his buddy before him thought, that everyone would live in heaven that were of that small group of christians.

  It took them 2 thousand years to find out they were wrong......actually......they were NEVER wrong........they just hadn't UNDERSTOOD it that way before.

  Gumby
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  ozziepost

  Well done, Gumby! Just brilliant!

  Cheers, Ozzie
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  stillajwexelder

  The meek shall inherit the earth - makes sense to me
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  paulw21

  Hello Gumby,

  I'll respond in more detail to your post on Thursday. That 1935 date is very interesting. Please show me from the bible, where it says the "cut off date" for entry into heaven was 1935? If you can I'll believe you. Also, how many JW's approximately, do you think make up the 144,000 in heaven. Obviously you won't know exactly but do you think maybe half of the 144,000 are JW's, considering the number of JW's who were around until 1935?

  Gumby, considering the WTS well documented and easily proveable history of false prophecies, such as 1874, 1914, 1975, 1925, (supposed return of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob), do yo think that maybe there is just that slightest possible chance they could have misheard "God's" voice about 1935? Where is a prophecy in scripture that points to "Judge" Rutherford being the one who would receive such a prophecy?

  Actually, the 144,000 was born out of numerical necessity NOT bible doctrine. The WTS had a problem in the early 1900's and they knew it. Their original teaching was that ALL JW's would make up the rest of the 144,000 and that was it, the world would end. But after the 1925 prophecy of Armageddon failed, and despite this numbers grew, what would the WTS do with new converts if heaven was FULL.?

  What hope would someone have if the "no vacancy" sign was in front of heaven? Where would they go?How would the WTS solve this problem? I know what, let's grab one text from here, another from there and hey, we have a new doctrine! Suddenly the "judge" revealed "new light" that there is still hope, but it's now on earth. Ever since Rutherford announced that deceptive lie in 1935, all JW's have been robbed of eternal life with Jesus Christ.

  Seems funny that over a 1900 year period, only 144,00 were born again out of all the countless millions in history and "MOST" of these are JW's.

  More to come

  Paul
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  paulw21

  Hi Gumby,

  I was just reading your post again more carefully. It reeks of some very pleasant "sarcasm." Are you born again? Did I waste my post???? Hey, that took me 10 minutes!

  Paul
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  ozziepost

  Paul,

  You're a little late, but you got there in the end! Gumby is one of our most illustrious contributors but he is certainly not a Watchtower apologist. It was a wonderfully sarcastic piece he wrote. But don't worry about your reply. They are never wasted; just think of the lurkers, those present dubs who have twinges of doubts. You would have helped them.

  Cheers, Ozzie
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  gumby

  But don't worry about your reply. They are never wasted; just think of the lurkers, those present dubs who have twinges of doubts. You would have helped them.

  Thanks ozzie.

  I did learn something from your post Paul.......and so did many others!

  I learned a person such as yourself who really believed gumby believed that "stuff".....and yet you were so nice in your reply. You could have slammed be bad.....and you didn't.

  As for what you wrote.........it was not wasted typing or time. It's responses like the one you made that helps lost JW's see some good reasoning. No matter how "stupid" or "lame" a thread might be......usually there is something to be learned from it by the responses of other posters.

  Thanks for your kindness and reply

  Gumby