Thought Provoking Question to a JW?

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  • StephaneLaliberte
    And that is the Greek Text that they use for for the NWT of the Bible ,so the name Jehovah has no place in the New Testament

    Yeah, but they know that the divine name was taken out of that version, they simply restored it. - I know, ridiculous, but that is exactly what they say.

  • steve2

    Horse to water.

  • smiddy3

    John 17:26 (kjv): "And I have declared unto them thy name

    Yet their is still not one scripture in the N.T. that has the name Jehovah in it......Not one.

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    There's no record of Jesus uttering the divine name in any Greek manuscript. Jesus always referred to God as "Father" and "God". When he quoted OT passages that use the divine name in Hebrew, he - and the NT writers - quoted from the Greek Septuagint and the Greek Septuagint of the day used "Kyrios" ("Lord") in place of the divine name. This is why the divine name is totally absent from the NT. It was never in there to begin with because common use of the divine name had ceased by the first century and the people were using the Greek Septuagint which substitutes "Lord" in place of the divine name.

    John 17:26 isn't a reference to declaring the appellation "Jehovah"/"Yahweh"/The tetragrammaton. Rather, it is a reference to declaring God's character or reputation. Jesus made God's character or reputation known to the people through his word and deed. This is what it meant by him making God's name known. There are many references to "name" in the NT that refer, not to God's appellation, but to his character or reputation. Such as the phrase - "a people for his name" which means a people whose way of life is befitting of the character of God; a people who uphold God's reputation instead of bringing reproach on him; a people who are holy just as God is holy; etc.

  • days of future passed
    days of future passed

    If the Catholic church shows it can't be under God's approval because of hiding child sexual abuse, what will be your response when the WT is exposed to have been doing the same thing?

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Why are JW's compelled by the WTBTS to totally disregard Jesus' specific instructions regarding sins, and replace them with the org's commands?

    Jesus taught that Christians only had to show contrition to someone who had witnessed the wrongdoing. (Matthew 18:15-17) He said nothing about confessing a sin to elders who had no knowledge of it.

    An anti-scriptural & anti-Christ dogma. How many JW's would not be disfellowshipped if Matthew 18:15-17 was correctly applied?

  • smiddy3

    The first recorded use of the name Jehovah was by a Spanish Catholic Monk in the 13th century.

    One J.Martinus who translated the four Hebrew letters of the Tetragrammaton into Latin and English and added the vowels to come up with the name Jehovah.

    Jehovah`s Witnesses now have two things to thank the Catholic church for the books of the Bible and now the name of the God they worship.

  • slimboyfat

    Jesus likely used the form of the divine name Yaho, which was common among Jews in his day.

    This version of the divine name was used in the LXX.

    It occurs in name lists (onomastica) used by Jews and later Christians.

    Classical authors Diodorus and Varro said the Jews called their God Yaho.

    Origen used the name Yaho in his commentary on John.

    There are indications that some Jews avoided using God’s name in the first century, but the evidence is that this only became standard later.

    See Frank Shaw’s book reviewed here by Anthony Meyer.

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Actually there is no record of Jesus having ever uttered a word.

    All we have are words and sentences attributed to him a generation after he was supposed to have lived. There are no eye witnesses from Roman documents of the Bible's account of a miracle worker who could bring back the dead, let alone any verbatim records of his speech.

    So by dwelling on what this fictional character said, this speculates on an existing myth and worst still it reinforces a credibility in the minds of those fixated by Christianity. After all if a person is quoted he must have lived?

  • oppostate

    Does hallelujah count? Or any compound name with Jeho or iah?

    Martin the monk used the Masoretic vowel pointed Hebrew and wrote the word with the Latin alphabet. The vowel points for Jehovah and Adonay do not match, they are not the same.

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