Is the WTS hiding cash in plain sight? If so, why?

by Mindchild 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    I came across something recently that I'm not supposed to know. Before I go further, I should state that what I'm saying here is purely speculation based on minimal evidence and I'm not saying that the WTS is using this "privacy" vehicle to hide some of their considerable millions. I further cannot give you the name of the source of the person who shared this information with me. Having said all of this, please allow me to proceed with what I do know.

    An ex-JW friend of mine, working as a teller in a U.S. bank recently noticed something interesting that happened in the bank they worked at. Two middle aged gentlemen conservatively dressed in suits came into the bank to open an account. Each had an attache case full of cash. There was approximately $70,000 in USD between the two attache cases. Both of the men were British citizens, on a trip over to the USA. They each wanted to open up a VISA debit card account that allowed access to the funds from any ATM machine.

    As per routine, the new account manager asked them the source of the funds, and they replied that it was from a private corporation and that as foreign nationals, that US banking regulations, including the $10,000 IRS notification regulations did not apply to them. In this they were absolutely right (few people know that this is a practical way for the rich to hide their money in the USA without any reporting obligations and make interest off it.) The new accounts manager had them fill out the banking forms and told them both that two pieces of ID would need to be photocopied and kept on record at the bank. My friend the teller, was motioned over to the new accounts table to do the task of the photocopying. My friend got the passports from both, and when they opened up their wallets to get the UK driver's license, he/she noticed one of them had a NO BLOOD TRANSFUSION card in his "purse" (I guess he/she meant wallet.) He/She copied the ID, and brought it back to the table and asked them if they were enjoying their stay in America. They replied that they had only been here a few days, but were looking forward to visiting friends over here.

    He/She really wanted to ask them if they were both Witnesses but the new account manager would not have approved, so he/she walked away. After they both left, he/she asked the account manager if she thought it was strange that two UK tourists would have two briefcases full of cash that was wrapped up in bundles and in different amounts. She said she did think it a bit odd, especially as it was not in UK currency, but in American dollars. Still, there was nothing outside of that and she told my friend it was probably just a business transaction that someone wanted to keep private.

    SPECULATION

    Okay, when I heard all this, I was asking myself why would at least one Witness from the UK be depositing funds in their own name in an American bank? I know there are some wealthy dubs but why would two different people be opening two different accounts? Would a dub really be involved with a "worldly" person like this? It suggests to me that they were both Witnesses. What could someone possibly gain by the actions taken by these two people unless they were hiding money from someone, or wanted a private way to get cash to someone without any records being made to American authorities? Where and how did they get their hands on so much cash? If they had only been in the country a few days, it is hard to round up that much cash from a bank. I know that for a fact. This suggests to me that someone over here had the cash waiting for them. Could that someone be the WTS?

    The WTS is a tax exempt organization. It would not need to hide money from the IRS. Why would they have an interest in hiding money? The only thing that comes to my mind is that they may have had the intention of doing a private cash payoff to someone. Maybe I'm being too negative, and it is really all innocent.

    What do you think?

    (Please do not ask me for any details of the Bank, it's location, ...all of that is confidential)

    Skipper

  • Dimples
    Dimples

    Things that make you go hmmmm....

    Dimples

  • sf
    sf

    Hey Mind,

    Interesting.

    Take a look at these search hits:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%2470%2C000+usa+assets+Watchtower

    The Watchtower’s Investments in Warfare Technology
    ... US since 1992, whereas REGI owns the USA rights to the RC ... Body have concealed the
    truth about these assets and their ... by ACR in June 2000 with a $70,000 US Navy ...
    www.geocities.com/wtgreed/article.htm - 43k - Cached - Similar pages

    Vital information on Jehovah's Witnesses cults sects apologetics ...
    ... US since 1992, whereas REGI owns the USA rights to ... seems to have concealed the truth
    about these assets and their ... by ACR in June 2000 with a $70,000 US Navy ...
    www.reachouttrust.org/regulars/articles/jw/jw21.htm - 44k - Cached - Similar pages

    [PDF] Burswood International Resort Casino Annual Report 1999
    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
    ... in before he plans to retire and return to USA to join ... in 1998/99 included the Australian
    Mineral Foundation, McDonalds Australia, Watchtower Convention, WA ...
    www.burswood.com.au/etc/pdf_admin/Annual99.pdf - Similar pages

    This last one is a pdf. For some reason when I try to open pdf'sa, my computer goes nuts. Can and/ or wil you open the last search hit and display it here, if you can?

    Thanx, sKally

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    It sounds like they wanted to make it very easy for anonymous people to withdraw and use funds without having to worry about taxes or other "red tape". Maybe some Bethel Heavies who are traveling around.

    Then again... this could be a very normal corporate transaction and the two guys just wanted to have funds available to their personnel while in the US... though the whole cash thing does make me suspicious. The only reason anyone would transfer large amounts of cash would be to make sure it is not seen by any government agency.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Since the deposit reporting laws have always been as much or more about drugs (etc) as taxes, to my knowledge, I'm skeptical about that aspect of this story. I just find it very hard to believe that merely being a foreign national will cause (or even allow) a bank to suspend using normal U.S. bank regulations. Do you have some documentation on this?

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    I think Elsewhere's ideas on this have merit: even if the account was issued in the name of one of the gentlemen, once the account was opened, ANYONE who had the pin # of the account (and the card, of course) could access the funds from an ATM machine almost anywhere, and no signature or ID verification would be performed.

    It is a pretty slick way to slide money under the table to just about anyone you want. Sure, the ATM terminal might take pictures of the person receiving the money, but no one sits down and examines these pictures.

    A good clandestine technique...

  • Navigator
    Navigator

    I agree with Six. The U.S. banking laws are a burden on the bankers, not necessarily the depositors. I believe the banks would be required to report such a transaction. If this were true, money laundering would be a snap for the drug lords. I too would be interested in seeing the documentation that says banks don't have to report on foriegners.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    I have to agree with six's skepticism too. I have never heard of anyone being exempt of the funds tracking laws.

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    SixofNine I would consider that a reasonable thing to be skeptical of but evidently this is the case. Here is some information I pulled about the topic from a Google search:

    http://www.expatworld.org/article6.htm

    OFFSHORE TAX SHELTERS, OFFSHORE BANKING AND OTHER INTERNATIONAL ASSET PROTECTION STRATEGIES - In general, files and information maintained outside the country you live in aren't part of, nor subject to, the scrutiny of the government agencies of your country of residence. Most governments under normal circumstances only gain knowledge about your Offshore activities if YOU tell them about it -or - if you are involved in some form of criminal activity in your home country and their investigation in this country reveals to them evidence of your Offshore activities. Today the red-herrings for these type of investigations fall under the headings of drug dealing and money laundering.
    It's the prying eyes of the Government, your nosy neighbors, business competitors, ex-spouses, and other snoopy people, who may well attempt to keep track of your financial activities for their own purposes. With or without the use of a private detective agency, it is quite easy for almost anyone to gain access to your most personal records if they are kept in the country you eat, sleep, reside and make love in. However, records and files on your activities outside the your "home" country are next to impossible for these snoops to get their hands or eyes on. Banking offshore and maintaining your financial records and files outside the USA (or your home country) allows you the maximum personal and financial privacy available.

    http://www.assetprotectioncorp.com/foreignbankaccounts.html

    A foreign bank account is a useful addition to many asset protection plans; although, protected funds often remain in the United States. The creator of the account must recognize that there are two ways any judgment creditor can discover an offshore account (and remember, an account must be discovered before it can be attacked). The main two ways are review of the client's financial statement and the client's tax returns (both of which are often open to discovery in litigation). Care should be taken to structure the offshore account so that the assets are not included on the balance sheet of the protected client.

    You might of course be aware that there is a crackdown of the US banking industry with the infamous Patriot Act. However, when you read things carefully, you see the provisions of the law it applies to drug and money laundering. I'm really not sure if there was any interest raised by the cash transaction for two foreign nationals from the UK. My friend never gave me any additional information other than what I reported here. Perhaps the bank manager did report the transaction but my friend working as a teller was not told about it. In any case, the country of origin for the funds was on paper anyway (from what I figure) the UK. As such, if there was no connection with known terrorist groups or drug cartels, the funds would be anonymous to anyone in the UK. Does that make sense?

    Skipper

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    I was just thinking about something else regarding the use of the ATM cards. They can of course be used ANYWHERE in the world. So, putting things in perspective, if someone came to this country and opened up a US bank account, their home country wouldn't be notified of the account unless they were laundering money or were involved with terrorists, etc. The bank account owner, could then return to their own country, use the VISA card to make purchases or to remove cash from an ATM machine, without any paper trail in their home country.

    This implies to me that if this was set up for privacy, that the real use of the funds would be back in the UK or maybe another country. Considering also that there are limits to the amount of cash you can carry into another country (reporting requirements) having a VISA debit card could allow you to go anywhere and have access to that cash without leaving any paper trails in the country of use. I would think that uses for such cash could include bribes (very common in many foreign countries) or for funding projects that you don't want authorities to know about (such as work in lands where open ministry is banned.) Again, nothing but speculation.

    Skipper

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