Toxic Parents Toxic Religion 2

by Lady Lee 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Before continuing You might want to read part 1 here

    In chapter 8 of her book Toxic Parents, Susan Forward addressed some of the systemic problems of toxic families. The comparison to a toxic religion is quite interesting. Again my comments will be in italics and blue. Not a lot of them in here

    Page 167-177

    BELIEFS: There is only one truth

    Reasonably mature and caring parents will have beliefs that take into consideration the feelings and needs of all family members. They will provide a solid base for a child?s development and subsequent independence. Such beliefs might be: "children are entitled to disagree"; "it?s wrong to deliberately hurt your child"; or, "children should feel free to make mistakes."

    A toxic parent?s beliefs about children, on the other hand, are almost always self-centered and self-serving. They believe things like, "children should respect their parents no matter what"; "there are only two ways to do things, my way and the wrong way"; or, "children should be seen and not heard." These types of beliefs form the soil from which toxic parental behavior grows.

    Toxic parents resist external reality that challenges their beliefs. Rather than change, they develop a distorted view of reality to support the beliefs they already have. Unfortunately, children lack the sophistication to discriminate between true reality and distorted reality. ?

    There are two types of beliefs: spoken and unspoken. Spoken beliefs are expressed or communicated directly?. Spoken beliefs are often disguised as words of advice, expressed in terms of "shoulds," "oughts," and "supposed to?s."

    These overtly expressed beliefs have the advantage of giving us something tangible to wrestle with as we become adults. Although these beliefs may have become a part of us, the fact that they are stated makes them easy to examine, and perhaps discard in favor of beliefs that are more relevant to our lives.?

    It?s not as easy to reject a belief that you don?t even know exists. Unspoken beliefs can dictate many basic assumptions about life. They exist below the level of awareness. These are the beliefs that were implied by the way your father treated your mother, or by the way either of them treated you. They are an important part of what we learn from our parents? behavior.

    It is a very rare family that will sit down to dinner to discuss beliefs such as: "women are second-class citizens"; "children should sacrifice themselves for their parents"; "children are bad by nature"; or, "children should stay inadequate so their parents can stay needed." Even if a family knew they held these beliefs, few would admit them. Yet these unspoken beliefs dominate many families with toxic parents, disastrously affecting their children?s lives.


    From Parental beliefs come parental rules. ? Rules are the manifestations of beliefs. They are the enforcers, the simple "do?s and don?ts." ?

    As with beliefs, there are spoken rules and unspoken rules. Spoken rules may be arbitrary, but they tend to be clear: "Spend every Christmas at home," or, "don?t talk back to your parents." Because they are out in the open, we can, as adults challenge them.

    But unspoken rules are like phantom puppeteers, pulling invisible strings and demanding blind obedience. They are unseen, covert rules that exist below the level of awareness ? rules such as: "don?t be more successful than your father"; "don?t be happier than your mother"; "don?t lead your own life"; "don?t ever stop needing me"; or, "don?t abandon me." ?

    Unspoken rules have a tenacious hold on our lives. To change them, we must first understand them.


    If beliefs are the bones and rules are the flesh of the family system, then "blind obedience" is the muscle that propels that body.

    We blindly obey family rules because to disobey is to be a traitor to one? family. ? We all have these loyalties. They bind us to the family system, to our parents, and to their beliefs. They drive us to obey the family rules. If the rules are reasonable, they can provide some ethical and moral structure for a child?s development.

    But in families with toxic parents, the rules are based on family role distortions and bizarre perceptions of reality. Blind obedience to these rules leads to destructive, self-defeating behavior.


    The kind of obedience I?m talking about is not a matter of free choice; it is rarely the result of a conscious decision. ?

    Blind obedience forges our behavior patterns early in life and prevents us from escaping those patterns. There is often a huge gap between our parents? expectations and demands and what we really want for ourselves. Unfortunately, our unconscious pressure to obey almost always overshadows out conscious needs and desires. We can discard destructive rules only by turning a light on the unconscious and bringing those rules to the surface. Only when we can see the rules clearly can we exercise free choice.


    The single most dramatic difference between healthy and toxic family systems is the amount of freedom that exists for family members to express themselves as individuals. Healthy families encourage individuality, personal responsibility, and independence. They encourage the development of their children?s sense of adequacy and self-respect.

    Unhealthy families discourage individual expression. Everyone must conform to the thoughts and actions of the toxic parents. ? On an unconscious level, it is hard for family members to know where one ends and another begins. In their efforts to be close, they often suffocate one another?s individuality. ?

    Every decision you make becomes intricately interwoven with the rest of the family. Your feelings, behaviors, and decisions are no longer your own. You are not yourself, you are an appendage of your family system.


    In [toxic families] much of a child?s identity and his illusions of safety depend on feeling enmeshed. He develops a need to be a part of other people and to have them be a part of him. He can?t stand the thought of being cast out. The need for enmeshment carries right through into adult relationships. ?

    Enmeshment creates an almost total dependence on approval and validation from outside yourself.

    Can you see the similarities to the WTS? Questions?

  • gumby
    Reasonably mature and caring parents will have beliefs that take into consideration the feelings and needs of all family members. They will provide a solid base for a child?s development and subsequent independence.

    I wonder how many people in reality fit this term?

    I don't think there are many I know of who have really considered WHAT their child should believe......then build their families around those beliefs. Most people have the same opinions they had before having children and they usually continue in whatever belief that was from the families I have seen.

    I wouldn't see father and mother as being NOT MATURE OR LOVING......if they didn't consider the child and what it should believe. Many who are good parents simply let the child go throught life and grow up, then freely choose his or her course as to beliefs.

    I think they have complicated too many subjucts such as this and have wanted to put lables and names to things, and are trying to define what is non-definable, except in their own terminology.


  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Gumby This is part 2. You might want to read part 1

    Susan Forward is not in any way referring to religious beliefs

  • oldcrowwoman


    Thank you for bringing this information to the site and the work you put into sharing with us.

    I was recalling back in time with therapy. My therapist mention about my family being toxic. Took me some time to articulate and name what my experiences and to acknowledge the abuses.

    And experienced those toxic behaviors in the marriage and his family.

    I can pick up those behaviors from others alot sooner now. Make choices in engaging or not. Finding ways to set limits with them.

    I realize I was groomed to move right into cult. And how toxic that was for me.

    I am grateful to be where I am today. I will never sell my soul.

    Old Crow

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Hi (((crow)))

    yes I think a lot of us were groomed for the cult life. It matches where so many of us came from.

    I really believe the more we understand these techniques and dynamics the less chance there is for us to get involved in something similar ever again

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee


  • blondie

    I have this book in my personal library. I initially started reading it to deal with issues in my family. I realized as I read it how it applied to things at the KH. It probably was a beginning to my seeing the religious abuse in my life.


  • Perry

    It's in my library too....excellent book.

    It helped me see how at least in the cases of JW's that the two many times go hand in hand.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee


  • Swan

    I've been thinking about the unspoken rules. Did you ever notice that when you went to the Kingdom Hall or an Assembly, there was a distinct manner you had to adopt? Children usually don't move like that. It isn't normal behavior or body language for children.

    The unspoken rule was you were to imitate the decorum of the elderly, mature people in the congregation. It was Jehovah's house and you had to be on your best behavior. We all walked and moved and sat like we were in a funeral.

    Think about it. Nothing attracted more attention than a child who was moving contrary to expectations. My Mom's bible study had two boys. You could always pick them out right away because the moved differently than the ones that had been in for a while.


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