The Intensity of WT Resistance .. and its Meaning

by metatron 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • metatron
    metatron

    I'll freely confess I was wrong. When I first found sites like this one, I still thought that ethical reform of the Watchtower was

    possible. If you're a lurker here, you need to give up on this naive notion and stop wasting your life.

    I was wrong because I failed to consider the unusual - indeed breathtaking nature of the Society's resistance to moral change,

    even when practical events cry out for them to do.

    For example, consider the case of Gilead missionaries. For years in Bethel, we would never get an official answer

    about the 'washout rate' of missionaries. At one point, there was a rumor that they generally lasted about two years

    - often with those years utterly wasted because of severe tropical diseases and difficulties with languages and other matters.

    I wondered why Jack Redford once gave a remarkable talk called "Do Not Expect Anything From Anybody" in which

    he offered counsel about how they shouldn't even expect to be picked up at the airport, on arrival!

    There's more I could go on about - but it just amazed me that they treated people this carelessly and that

    the washout rate meant nothing, no matter how high.

    And then there's Witness kids: Do congregations lose 80-90% of kids "raised in the truth" ? Apparently so -- and yet

    this heartbreak to Witness parents never results in any meaningful change. Again, it just seems to be "written off"

    with no change in sight - regardless of how bad the problem has become. You just say "Satan did it" and forget about it.

    And if any of you lurking elders think this is going to change, volunteer to do the baptism count at your local assembly.

    The demeanor of Witness kids waiting in line, with their towels, is little different from waiting in queue at the school

    cafeteria. Just something I hafta do.............

    There's many more examples to consider: The often poor treatment of Circuit Overseers - even when the Society

    had trouble finding suitable ones ( a letter to elders telling you what not to pay for) and years of gradual decline

    in conditions at Bethel - while the Society grew desperate for good workers.

    What seems so foreign to many of us schooled in modern business, is that nothing seems to happen.

    As long as you have enough willing robots to peddle magazines and attend meetings, why treat them like

    people? What's the benefit in that?

    Witness loyalty ends up being its own best punishment - they drag themselves to assemblies and meetings and

    field service and the Society, already unfeeling, finds no reason to change - and doesn't!

    If you are lurking here and hoping that things in the organization get better,

    ask yourself, why should they? Why should anything ever cause the Theocrats to doubt themselves

    in any matter requiring kindness or justice? What's the difference?

    metatron

  • minimus
    minimus

    People act like this because they are allowed to. The attitude is that you are a "worker" for Jehovah, not men. So just do what WE say. Because WE speak for God, of course. Don't expect. Don't question. Just roboticly do what you are told to do....and Jehovah will bless you for your faithfulness to the organization.

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    'Go to the ants you lazy ones. learn its ways and become wise'

    The Org like to quote that scripture. That's all the rank and file JW is - a worker ant. No need to thank them or look after them; obedience is obligatory and its own reward.

    Poor b******s!

  • xjw_b12
    xjw_b12

    Powerful post Metratron

    For years in Bethel, we would never get an official answer

    about the 'washout rate' of missionaries. At one point, there was a rumor that they generally lasted about two years

    - often with those years utterly wasted because of severe tropical diseases and difficulties with languages and other matters.

    I had the pleasure years ago to meet Walter Belobaba (belbab here on JWD). To hear firsthand of the difficulties encountered by missionaries in foreign assignments saddened me deeply, and only confirmed my distrust of the WTBTS.

    I did a quick search here, but I don't think he has relayed the story on this forum. It would be eye-opening to the "lurkers" to hear his first person story.

  • shotgun
    shotgun

    Do you think the WT softened on the vaccination issue to allow missionaries into various countries?

    I feel similar to you metatron when I hear ones say they want to reform the WT.

    Why would I want to reform a cult? If you look at it another way, why would I want to reform false religion? To make it more tolerable in some way...maybe make it more like a mainstream religion or even a different cult. So instead of trying to get out with ones family its stay in and make the cult more tolerable.

  • Swan
    Swan
    Do congregations lose 80-90% of kids "raised in the truth" ? Apparently so

    Is that an accurate figure? Where did you get this from? Is this a good estimate?

    If so, that is very encouraging! Perhaps my relatives of my parent's generation will never leave the JWs, but 4 out of 5 of their grandchildren might. Very encouraging indeed!

    Tammy

  • xjw_b12
    xjw_b12
    I wondered why Jack Redford once gave a remarkable talk called "Do Not Expect Anything From Anybody" in which he offered counsel about how they shouldn't even expect to be picked up at the airport, on arrival!

    I remember my mom telling me a story, of when they were at a "international assembly" (Tahiti or Hawaii or something) and one of the governing body, was coming in by airplane. The jws went out to ""witness his coming" as he stepped from the airplane and on the the steps to the tarmac.

    A gasp went through the crowd, and as he desecended, the crowd rushed forward to meet him.

    I remember my mom saying..."I'm surprised he didn't get down and kiss the ground, and the jws didn't kiss his hand"

    Idol worship, plain and simple, yet they treated the missionaries like swine.

  • ignorance is strength
    ignorance is strength

    Personally, I never even though of reform. Especially when it was pounded into your head how they were God's organization and that no one was like them one Earth and they always make out like they are "pratically perfect". How can an organization making that claim ever be reformed?

  • Flowerpetal
    Flowerpetal

    xjw:

    I had the pleasure years ago to meet Walter Belobaba (belbab here on JWD). To hear firsthand of the difficulties encountered by missionaries in foreign assignments saddened me deeply, and only confirmed my distrust of the WTBTS.

    I did a quick search here, but I don't think he has relayed the story on this forum. It would be eye-opening to the "lurkers" to hear his first person story

    I'd love to hear his story! Maybe my childhood friend, who was appointed a regular pioneer the minute she graduated high school (1965) made the right decision when she was eventually invited to Gilead to learn how to be a missionary. She turned it down because she did't want to leave her mom alone. She is still a regular pioneer and will probably be one till the day she dies. She never married, and her letters sound like something out of the yearbook. And I always had the feeling she was doing all of this because her mother expected it of her--and for the org.

  • metatron
    metatron

    The 80%+ figure originally came from an old post by Maximus. He claimed that the Society knows how extreme

    this exodus is but does nothing realistic about it. I think if you look around in most congregations, you'll find

    this figure believable.

    metatron

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