Revelation 14:4

by Sergey Antonov 18 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Another thought , which twit decided that having sex is defiling to women? Rev 14,4.

    Perhaps if you are an insane and celibate monk spending some time each day in self flagellation, then the book of Revelation may have some appeal for you.

  • Steel

    The book of revelation has a pattern of John hearing something and seeing something different . It follows the theme of the old testament to new testament. Example he would hear the mighty lion of Judea and then see the bloody lamb.

    The calling of the 144 is a reference to the building of an army in the book of Numbers. The he saw a great crowd no man could number. The 144 is just a symbol for the body of Christ or all Christians.

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Yes Steel, I agree that much of the Bible is borrowed and has source references most of them either hidden or lost. 12 x 12 x 1000 must have sounded impressive to the mystical numerologists in the second century but I ask why should the brainstorms of the writer of the Apocalypse have any meaning today?

    What is the proof of the pudding here? Ultimately is anyone better off for learning the nightmarish stories of Revelation, or knowing why they were written or how they were intended to be understood?

    Both by the passage of time and the history of Jehovah's Witnesses preaching, it has been shown that none of the Bible stories have any prophetic use or any relevance at all to those outside of religious cults.

  • EverApostate
    These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins

    Defile means Unclean or impure

    That is a great insult to women. Why are women considered as such, even if this is symbolic ?

    Despite these Biblical humiliation, women are the larger army in all the christian sects

    Also, why is 144K a magical number? Solomon supposedly sacrificed 144K cattle in his great slaughter and Sacrifice festival.

    I think Psycho John, who supposedly scribbled revelation, picked this number from the Old Testament nonsense

  • sir82

    They're just following Sir82's Law of Biblical Exegesis:

    "If a particular Bible verse supports the doctrinal point you wish to defend, that verse is to be taken literally; if the Bible verse contradicts the doctrinal point you wish to defend, that verse is to be taken symbolically".

    JW doctrine: there is a fixed number of 144,000 who go to heaven, thus the "144,000" of Revelation 14 is literal.

    JW doctrine: Some of those 144,000 have been married, thus the "virgins" of Reveleation 14 is symbolic, representing "spiritual virginity".

  • slimboyfat

    They have not defiled themselves in worldly politics.

  • peacefulpete

    Just what does be "defiled by women" mean? Why would having intimacy with a woman be defiling? A little misogynist maybe?

  • Diogenesister
    Just what does be "defiled by women" mean? Why would having intimacy with a woman be defiling? A little misogynist maybe?

    An intelligent first cause, that knows how life came to be.That set up the universe so that consciousness was bourne out of the constant battle for particulAr alleles to survive. Would never call one creature necessary for sexual reproduction - namely the female - something that defiles the other type - namely the male.

    Anyone with an ounce of thinking ability would know revelation was authored by a human mind.

  • Sergey Antonov
    Sergey Antonov

    The Watchtower society explains this verse as follows: virgins are those who have not profaned themselves with a vicious life. If you read the parallel verses it is clearly to the widow or divorced woman regard as unclean. As second-class citizens.

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