Wriggling Like A Worm On A Hook???

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  • Disassociated Lady 2
    Disassociated Lady 2

    Just been reading this week's study article for the JWs:

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    IMAGINE that an experienced guide is leading you on a tour of a wondrous and beautiful city. The city is new to you and to those with you, so you hang on to the guide’s every word. At times, you and your fellow tourists wonder excitedly about some of the city’s features that you have not yet seen. When you ask your guide about such things, however, he withholds his comments until key moments, often just when a certain sight is coming into view. In time, you grow ever more impressed with his wisdom, for he tells you what you need to know right when you need to know it.

    2 True Christians are in a situation similar to that of the tourists. We are eagerly learning about the most wondrous of cities, “the city having real foundations,” the Kingdom of God. (Heb. 11:10) When Jesus was on earth, he personally guided his followers, leading them to a deeper knowledge of that Kingdom. Did he answer all their questions and tell them everything about that Kingdom at once? No. He said: “I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now.” (John 16:12) As the wisest of guides, Jesus never burdened his disciples with knowledge that they were not prepared to handle.

    3 Jesus spoke the words recorded at John 16:12 on the final night of his earthly life. After his death, how would he continue to teach faithful people about God’s Kingdom? He assured his apostles: “The spirit of the truth . . . will guide you into all the truth.” * (John 16:13) We may think of the holy spirit as a patient guide. The spirit is Jesus’ means of teaching his followers whatever they need to know about God’s Kingdom—right when they need to know it.

    4 Let us consider how Jehovah’s holy spirit has been guiding sincere Christians into greater knowledge about that Kingdom. First, we will consider our understanding of when God’s Kingdom began to rule. Then, we will examine the identity and hopes of the Kingdom’s rulers and its subjects. Finally, we will see how Christ’s followers gained a clearer understanding of what loyalty to the Kingdom requires.

    As we saw in Chapter 2 of this book, the Bible Students spent decades pointing out that the year 1914 would be significant in fulfilling Bible prophecy. However, at that time they believed that Christ’s presence had begun in 1874, that he had begun to rule in heaven in 1878, and that the Kingdom would not be fully set up until October 1914. The harvest would extend from 1874 to 1914 and would culminate in the gathering of the anointed to heaven. Do mistaken ideas such as these cast doubt on whether Jesus was guiding those faithful ones by means of holy spirit?

    6 Not at all! Think again of our opening illustration. Would the premature ideas and eager questions of the tourists cast doubt on the reliability of their guide? Hardly! Similarly, although God’s people sometimes try to work out details of Jehovah’s purpose before it is time for the holy spirit to guide them to such truths, it is clear that Jesus is leading them. Thus, faithful ones prove willing to be corrected and humbly adjust their views.—Jas. 4:6.

    7 In the years following 1919, God’s people were blessed with more and more flashes of spiritual light. (Read Psalm 97:11.) In 1925, a landmark article appeared in The Watch Tower, entitled “Birth of the Nation.” It laid out convincing Scriptural evidence that the Messianic Kingdom had been born in 1914, fulfilling the prophetic picture of God’s heavenly woman giving birth, as recorded in Revelation chapter 12. * The article further showed that the persecution and trouble that came upon Jehovah’s people during those war years were clear signs that Satan had been hurled down from heaven, “having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”—Rev. 12:12.

    8 How important is the Kingdom? In 1928, The Watch Tower began to stress that the Kingdom was more important than personal salvation by means of the ransom. Indeed, it is by means of the Messianic Kingdom that Jehovah will sanctify his name, vindicate his sovereignty, and carry out all his purposes regarding mankind.

    9 Who would rule with Christ in that Kingdom? Who would be the earthly subjects of that Kingdom? And what work should occupy Christ’s followers?"

  • bennyk
    bennyk

    IMAGINE that a mentally-diseased would-be guide on LSD is leading you on a tour of a wondrous and beautiful city. The city is new to you and to those with you, so you attempt to interpret the guide’s every incoherent word. At times, you and your fellow tourists wonder excitedly about some of the city’s features that you have not yet seen. When you ask your guide about such things, however, he simply guesses, because he has no idea what he is talking about. In time, you grow ever more disgusted with his incompetence, for he is proves himself an addled-brained twit.

    "It's a hippopotamus herd... I mean a maroon 1992 Porsche 911... I mean the Eiffel-tower... I mean a faux leather rocking recliner... No -- genuine leather... I mean a dark green 1993 Porsche 911...."

    Do mistaken ideas [promulgated as divinely-revealed truth] cast doubt on whether Jesus was guiding those faithful ones by means of holy spirit?

    Why, yes; yes, it does!!! And when you find out that the Society has lied about their past...

  • ctrwtf
    ctrwtf

    So...You're a gullible tourist hanging on the words of a lunatic bent on separating you from your money. Just for the sake of accuracy, I think this is a better comparison.

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  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Yes, the Tour Guide is the Holy Spirit, guiding you through the city! The owner of the Tour Company will kill you if you don't believe the Tour Guide, even when the information is unclear....

    As stupid as that illustration is on its own, the reality if far, far more stupid. The WTBTS leaves out the part where THEY claim to be the FDS/Channel/Tour Guide, guided by a map called the Bible, which they can hold upside-down while demanding obedience from the passengers of the Tour Bus.

    The lesson from HQ: We don't understand the Holy Spirit. We have asked many premature questions, and have not been willing to change, especially when lowly R&F members bring our mistakes to light.

    Question: How did the Tour Guide's failure to allow organ transplants benefit anyone?

    DD

  • schnell
    schnell

    My wife came home and wanted to show me paragraphs 5 and 6 and see what I thought.

    Deuteronomy 18:20-22 is what I think.

  • jwleaks
    jwleaks

    Unfortunately if you want to leave the tour early the guards in the watchtower release the shepherds.


  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    A lot of white washing going on here that's quite obvious.

    Would the premature ideas and eager questions of the tourists cast doubt on the reliability of their guide? Hardly! Similarly, although God’s people sometimes try to work out details of Jehovah’s purpose before it is time for the holy spirit to guide them to such truths, it is clear that Jesus is leading them. Thus, faithful ones prove willing to be corrected and humbly adjust their views.

    Sure people might be acceptable to hear of God's kingdom and whats in store for mankind but date setting is against Jesus's own instructions to preach of this new Kingdom.

    The Gospel that has been preached by the WTS/JWS has always been a tainted commercialized Gospel under the guise of literature proliferation by the Watchtower Publishing house.

    It also was given within those instructions by Jesus to be aware of false prophets and what to do when you come upon false prophets.

    Who is it more worthy to be loyal to, men or God ?

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    For the illustration to apply, ALL JWs would have to be on equal ground; just Bible Students, having healthy discussions and occasionally throwing out wild theories, only to eventually agree on a more balanced view.

    Instead, we have a religious hierarchy with the GB/FDS at the top, insisting that all the rest adhere to their ideas as ultimate truth, until the GB decides to ALLOW the lesser members to believe a "new truth."

    The GB can't just refer to themselves as fellow passengers on the bus, not when their official position states that the WTBTS is God's "prophet-like" organization, and that all members must obey their decrees to gain life.

    The GB are crazed religious zealots who have taken over a passenger bus at gunpoint. JWs are captives, suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

    DD

  • bennyk
    bennyk

    Would the premature ideas and eager questions of the tourists cast doubt on the reliability of their guide?

    Well, since they got their premature ideas from their guide (the Watch Tower Society -- clearly not the Holy Spirit)... YES. It proves the guide to be UNRELIABLE.

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