The Triune Polytheism; the 'Trinity'
Trinitarian vs Arian debates have been going on for nearly 2000 years. The matter seems purely academic and at the end of the day not all that big of deal who is "right" and who is "wrong".
I am curious about what you said that the reason you lost respect for the Governing Body is because they "goofified meethings & assemblies". What do object to about their format?
Have you looked into other matters: 607, 1914, ect?
It is not true that the plural used in Hebrew often suggested by Trinitarians as support for their beliefs refers only to power and authrority (more precisely "majesty").
We who are Jews often see these expressions as referring to God sharing his authority with angelic beings God has assigned to perform certain duties in unison with God. The "majesty" argument is not universally accepted among Jews and is often advanced by Christians who don't read and speak Hebrew like we do.
Thus your claim itself shows your lack of understanding of Hebrew. I speak, read, and pray in it daily and have done so for most of my life. Do you?
The most ridiculous of all dogmas anywhere in the Universe
...and I thought that was the JW 2 witness rule.
Just showing you have no understanding of ancient Hebrew.
Any biblical scholar (not under church influence) will show the 'plurality' was an emphasis of His (not THEIR) power and authority.
That's interesting. Where did you study ancient Hebrew and what qualifications do you have?
Before entering into a theological discuss ion about the trinity or diety of christ, you need some kind of reference point.
Again, learn who the new testament writers thought jesus was and how it comes from the old testament. Its the very reason i stopped attending meetings.
the question is going to start a thread in 6 months stating how he has explored all the denominations of Christianity and how the wts isnt perfect but closest to the truth blah blah blah
Londo: Trinitarian vs Arian debates have been going on for nearly 2000 years. The matter seems purely academic and at the end of the day not all that big of deal who is "right" and who is "wrong".
Q: Jesus said it means your LIFE to know- EVERLASTING Life. (John 17:3)
Londo: I am curious about what you said that the reason you lost respect for the Governing Body is because they "goofified meethings & assemblies". What do object to about their format?
Q; Turned them into WT ReadFests with videos.
Londo: Have you looked into other matters: 607, 1914, ect?
Q; Yes, valid dates, with wrong conclusions attached.
Steel: the question is going to start a thread in 6 months stating how he has explored all the denominations of Christianity and how the wts isnt perfect but closest to the truth blah blah blah
Q: We JWs HAVE the truth- its just that a lot of GB nonsense is intermingled.
“Elohim” in Biblical Context
by Paul Sumner
The word most often used for God in the Hebrew Bible is Elohim. The word is a topic of frequent theological discussion and defining. But what is often lacking is accurate and detailed information based on the biblical contexts in which the word is found.
(A) Summary of Biblical Usage
(B) Eight Biblical Patterns
Extensive detailed information is found in the separate file: "Elohim" in Context: Part 2 (Details). Word surveys are based on: Avraham Even Shoshan, Qonqorkantzyah Hadashah (Jerusalem, 1981) and J.R. Kohlenberger and J.A. Swanson, Hebrew English Concordance to the Old Testament (Grand Rapids: 1998).
Section A — Summary of Biblical Usage
- "Elohim" is found 2602 times in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh, Old Testament). (It is not used in the Greek New Testament.)
- The word is used for: the true God, false gods, supernatural spirits (angels), and human leaders (kings, judges, the messiah).
- The "–im" ending denotes a plural masculine noun. Most of the time, however, when the noun is used for the true God it has singular masculine verbs. This is contrary to rules of Hebrew grammar.
- When used of the true God, "Elohim" denotes what is called by linguists a plural of majesty, honor, or fullness. That is, he is GOD in the fullest sense of the word. He is "GOD of gods" or literally, "ELOHIM of elohim" (Deut 10:17; Ps 136:2).
- In the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible (the Septuagint), where elohim refers to the true God, the singular theos is used.
Genesis 1:1 Hebrew — "In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth."
Genesis 1:1 Greek — "In the beginning, Theos made the heavens and the earth.
- The New Testament (which is in the same Koiné Greek as the Septuagint) does not have different words for or spellings of "God." That is, no singular or plural forms of theos. When the NT quotes passages from the Hebrew Bible or the Greek Septuagint that contain the word "God," it always has the singular noun.
Jews have funny beanies, now, added candlesticks to the one used once by the Ancient Jews, when faithful, don't even believe the Exodus was real anymore, before Christ HID God's Name, and now use G-d, to 'show respect'....