Where's Da Judge?!!!

by RR 13 Replies latest jw friends

• 

  RR

  A few days ago I received an e-mail assignment from Nathan Natas to the tune of "Mission Impossible." An assignment I had to accept, despite the death threats on my family.

  The assignment was to drive a whole 25 miles out of my way ... MY WAY ... to snap some pictures of a graveyard. Not just any graveyard, but THE graveyard ... whose graveyard? The Methodist Church of Staten Island. Why you ask? Because he asked me too, that's why? [not to mention the death threats on my family.]

  Anyways .... getting to the point .... Drove down to Staten Island, took me roughly 20 minutes, and I found my way to the Woodrow Methodist Church, which was erected in 1842, at least that's what the plaque says:

  http://www.food4jws.org/images/woodrow_church_plaque.jpg

  There is a cemetary which pretty much surrounds the Church, as a matter of fact when you walk up walkway to the front of the Church, you pass numerous tombstones:

  http://www.food4jws.org/images/woodrow_front_cemetary.jpg

  
  And as you get to the front porch you are greeted with this sign:

  http://www.food4jws.org/images/woodrow_church_sign.jpg

  The Church tself looks like it hasn't been kept since the day they built it the second time around in 1842.

  http://www.food4jws.org/images/woodrow_front_church.jpg

  It's a historical piece which is an eye sore in the town if you ask me. The tombstones surround the church from the front of the church when you walk in to the sides and rear. Old paper thin tombstones, so faded you could hardly make out who's buried.

  http://www.food4jws.org/images/woodrow_rear_cemetary.jpg

  Some of the tombstones were destroyed by time and vandals. As you walk to the rear of the Church, to your left is a nice piece of land, undisturbed, all mowed nice and evenly.

  http://www.food4jws.org/images/jfrplot1.jpg

  This is the infamous Watchtower plot, pretty sizeable, takes up about a 1/4 of the land, nothing there, no marker, no tombstones, no nothing, not even a hint of the dirt ever being disturbed. It looks so out of place.

  http://www.food4jws.org/images/jfrplot2.jpg

  This property is also home of MacMillan, vice president under the Judge, again, no markers, or tombstones or anything.

  There was no one there when I visited this morning, doors were locked. so I couldn't verify anything. However, Mr. Natas a in October 2002 did have a telephone converation with a Mr. Beyl who is caretaker of the property. When asked if this was the same cemetery where "Judge" Joseph Franklin Rutherford, the 2nd President of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, was buried. Mr. Beyl stated "Well, you know, that is very interesting... I know that they
  (the WTS) own a piece of land here, but I couldn't tell you who is buried on it because it has absolutely no markers or headstones or anything. ... It's remarkable because there's nothing on it. When we mow the grass on the rest of the cemetery we mow there
  too, but it hasn't been used for a long time, if it was ever used at all."

  Mr. Beyl described the plot as approximately 100 feet by 100 feet and stated that if you were to enter the cemetery near the church and
  walk to the back of the cemetery you would find this area easily since it is remarkable that it contains no evidence of any graves.

  The Church and its adjacent property sits on a city block, the whole area around it has been redone, upscale brick homes, no less than half a million dollars a piece. As I said the Church and property is an eye sore compared to the new developments being put up, construction crews were all over the place building townhouses, single family homes and small condos.
  
  Accordingly the cemetary was with distance of the WBBR Radio Station buiolt by the Society in 1922. It is now Bloomberg Radio, Mayor Bloomberg of New York City. However the old radio station is no longer there, WBBR is gone! I drove up and down that area. Looked up hoping to catch a glimpse of a tower or something ... nothing, nada. I asked around, few knew of an old radio station, of course these were new residence so I asked the old timers and they said it was gone.
  
  So there you have it. the Judge's final resting place [???] Staten Island, New York, in the back of an old Methodist Church, in an unmarked grave, according to the Watchtower Society, yet the caretaker himslef states, it's unlikely anyone is buried there! So where is he???

  "California here we come ....."

  Mission acomplished, Mr. Natas, release my family!

  RR
• 

  RR

  [Forgot to put the pictures, let's try this gain - RR]

  A few days ago I received an e-mail assignment from Nathan Natas to the tune of "Mission Impossible." An assignment I had to accept, despite the death threats on my family.

  The assignment was to drive a whole 25 miles out of my way ... MY WAY ... to snap some pictures of a graveyard. Not just any graveyard, but THE graveyard ... whose graveyard? The Methodist Church of Staten Island. Why you ask? Because he asked me too, that's why? [not to mention the death threats on my family.]

  Anyways .... getting to the point .... Drove down to Staten Island, took me roughly 20 minutes, and I found my way to the Woodrow Methodist Church, which was erected in 1842, at least that's what the plaque says:

  There is a cemetary which pretty much surrounds the Church, as a matter of fact when you walk up walkway to the front of the Church, you pass numerous tombstones:

  And as you get to the front porch you are greeted with this sign:

  
  The Church tself looks like it hasn't been kept since the day they built it the second time around in 1842.

  It's a historical piece which is an eye sore in the town if you ask me. The tombstones surround the church from the front of the church when you walk in to the sides and rear. Old paper thin tombstones, so faded you could hardly make out who's buried.

  Some of the tombstones were destroyed by time and vandals. As you walk to the rear of the Church, to your left is a nice piece of land, undisturbed, all mowed nice and evenly.

  This is the infamous Watchtower plot, pretty sizeable, takes up about a 1/4 of the land, nothing there, no marker, no tombstones, no nothing, not even a hint of the dirt ever being disturbed. It looks so out of place.

  
  This property is also home of MacMillan, vice president under the Judge, again, no markers, or tombstones or anything.

  There was no one there when I visited this morning, doors were locked. so I couldn't verify anything. However, Mr. Natas a in October 2002 did have a telephone converation with a Mr. Beyl who is caretaker of the property. When asked if this was the same cemetery where "Judge" Joseph Franklin Rutherford, the 2nd President of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, was buried. Mr. Beyl stated "Well, you know, that is very interesting... I know that they
  (the WTS) own a piece of land here, but I couldn't tell you who is buried on it because it has absolutely no markers or headstones or anything. ... It's remarkable because there's nothing on it. When we mow the grass on the rest of the cemetery we mow there
  too, but it hasn't been used for a long time, if it was ever used at all."

  Mr. Beyl described the plot as approximately 100 feet by 100 feet and stated that if you were to enter the cemetery near the church and
  walk to the back of the cemetery you would find this area easily since it is remarkable that it contains no evidence of any graves.

  The Church and its adjacent property sits on a city block, the whole area around it has been redone, upscale brick homes, no less than half a million dollars a piece. As I said the Church and property is an eye sore compared to the new developments being put up, construction crews were all over the place building townhouses, single family homes and small condos.
  
  Accordingly the cemetary was with distance of the WBBR Radio Station buiolt by the Society in 1922. It is now Bloomberg Radio, Mayor Bloomberg of New York City. However the old radio station is no longer there, WBBR is gone! I drove up and down that area. Looked up hoping to catch a glimpse of a tower or something ... nothing, nada. I asked around, few knew of an old radio station, of course these were new residence so I asked the old timers and they said it was gone.
  
  So there you have it. the Judge's final resting place [???] Staten Island, New York, in the back of an old Methodist Church, in an unmarked grave, according to the Watchtower Society, yet the caretaker himslef states, it's unlikely anyone is buried there! So where is he???

  "California here we come ....."

  Mission acomplished, Mr. Natas, release my family!

  RR
• 

  Lady Lee

  Umm who is buried out at Wallkill?

  and where is Russell?
• 

  RR

  When I was in Wallkill about twenty years ago, I id notice one tombstone, and I was told that the person buried there was just an old timer who had no family, so they buried him there.

  Russell is buried at Rosement United Cemetary in Pittsburgh, PA, I was there a few months ago and he was still there!
• 

  Lady Lee

  I was at Walkill about25 years ago and we were taken to an isolated field that was near a river (the river or gully sloped down behind the property where we were taken). I used to have a picture of this but I gave them to my ex after I left the JWs. We were taken to a tombstone. I forgot who we were told was buried there but it wasn't a nobody.
• 

  Nathan Natas

  For those of you who have wondered, RR's family has now been released from captivity, but they will never be the same.
• 

  xjw_b12

  You dummies. Of course Rutherford isn't there. He's in heaven sitting at the right hand of Christ ! Him and a hundred a forty-four thousand or so others.
• 

  VM44

  bttt

  Perhaps the photos could be reposted? --VM44
• 

  VM44

  Does anyone have these photos saved on their computer?

  These photos provide proof that Rutherford is buried in an unmarked grave. That is of course if he is not actually buried at Bethe Sarim in San Diego.

  They also prove that the Watchtower just buried its dead in unmarked graves, they did not want the extra expense of providing a marker or headstone for the deceased ones. How so very cheap of them!

  Probably was Knorr's idea to save money. I wonder if he got a headstone or marker on his grave?

  If anyone has these photos please post here or send me a message.

  --VM44
• 

  VM44

  Here is a Google World satellite view of the Woodrow Cemetery, located at 1075 Woodrow Rd., Staten Island, NY.

  Judge Rutherford is there....somewhere.

  --VM44