Huffington Post: When Is A Religion 'Extremist'? [Food for thought!]

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  • AndersonsInfo
    AndersonsInfo

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/when-is-a-religion-extremist_us_590de8e3e4b046ea176aeb98

    When Is A Religion ‘Extremist’?

    Tim Rymel, M.Ed.

    Governments who support “religious freedom” over the equal human rights and dignity of others condone, and even endorse discrimination.

    05/06/2017 11:27 am ET |
    Photo – Flickr/ Justin Kern
    Government endorsement of any religious ideology creates religious extremism.

    In April, Russia’s Supreme Court labeled Jehovah’s Witnesses an extremist religious group. “It effectively means that holding their beliefs and manifesting them is tantamount to a criminal act in Russia. They risk new levels of persecution by the Russian authorities,” said international legal counsel, Lorcan Price.

    In America, most of us think of Jehovah’s Witnesses as that occasional Saturday nuisance. They interrupt our morning breakfast or afternoon chores to tell us their version of the Christian faith. They cheerfully drag their families along for quiet strolls through the neighborhoods, and pass out Watchtower Magazines for us to throw away later.

    Annoying? Yes. Disruptive? Usually. But extremist? That depends.

    Growing up in the Pentecostal faith, I was taught that Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and Catholics were not Christians. Anyone who converted to those, or other non-mainstream Christian sects, was deceived by the devil. Though we didn’t use the word “extremist” to define those religions, we certainly saw them as a threat to the true people of God who were susceptible to “false teachings.”

    Religion, to paraphrase Merriam-Webster, is generally a belief in the supernatural with a commitment to keep up the attitudes and practices surrounding that belief. In other words, religion is more than just a belief it is an action. For some, that means attending church on Sundays. For others, it means killing people for believing the wrong things, or believing in the wrong way.

    The BBC noted that Al Qaeda’s purpose is to avenge “wrongs committed by Christians against Muslims.” The organization wants to implement a “single Islamic political leadership,” and drive away non-Muslims from areas it deems belong to the nation of Islam.

    ISIS, on the other hand, is a group of Scriptural fundamentalists who believe all other Muslims are apostates. William McCants, director of the Project on US Relations With the Islamic World at the Brookings Institution, says that ISIS wants “to restore the early Islamic empire called the caliphate and eventually take over the whole world.”

    Most of us can agree that Al Qaeda and ISIS are extremist groups. After all, they plan and implement terrorist attacks. They kill people, sometimes brutally. But is violence the only indicator of religious extremism?

    It could certainly be argued that when a religion becomes violent it becomes extremist. But even Christianity, in it’s many definitions, has a sorted history, which is seldom talked about and often dismissed. From the Spanish inquisition to the convert-or-die tactics used on Native American Indians, Christianity has been used to commit horrific acts of violence throughout the centuries. Judaism, from which Christianity arose, recorded shocking details in the Torah of the slaughter of entire populations, including women, children, and animals.

    Any religion, which purports to, alone, have all truth, and to, alone, have a direct line of communication to God, has a propensity toward extremist ideology. As University of Notre Dame Professor, Gary Gutting, points out:

    The potential for intolerance lies in the logic of religions like Christianity and Islam that say their teaching derive from a divine revelation. For them, the truth that God has revealed is the most important truth there is; therefore, denying or doubting this truth is extremely dangerous, both for nonbelievers, who lack this essential truth, and for believers, who may well be misled by the denials and doubts of nonbelievers.

    Any religion that denies the value and humanity of others is an extremist religion. Whether those actions lead to direct harm, or simply reduce protections through legislation, extremist ideology seeks to create one class that is believed to be more valued than another.

    The grandstanding that fundamentalist Christians have done since marriage equality passed in 2015 has created a growing, and disturbing trend toward extremist Christianity.

    READ MORE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/when-is-a-religion-extremist_us_590de8e3e4b046ea176aeb98

  • Simon
    Simon

    Sorry, I think this is borderline propaganda.

    The subtle takeaway seems to be that ALL Christian groups are extremist in some way but only ISIS are extremist when it comes to Islam.

    I think that is completely back-to-front.

    Whatever our views of JWs are, they are on the whole simply never going to approach the mildest of Muslims when it comes to "extremism".

  • Anders Andersen
    Anders Andersen

    Excellent find. Thanks for sharing.

  • kpop
    kpop

    Sorry, I think this is borderline propaganda.

    It's most unfortunate, that is all HuffPo has become these days. Anti-Christian, anti-white, anti-western propaganda. Where is the objective reporting? Where is the balance? Is everything now 100% op-ed? Seems so.

    As much as I personally think fundamentalist Christians are a bunch of lunatics, they can't be seriously compared to ISIS or the dozens of other radical Islamic terror groups out there that all formed around Islam. From Boko Haram to Jaish e Mohammed, the main goal is conquest by force or death through Islam.

    When an Islamic terror attack occurs, the first response I hear from outlets like HufffPo is, "but the Crusades!" Pathetic and very, very telling. Which is why the situation is spiraling out of control.

  • AndersonsInfo
    AndersonsInfo

    Didn't I say this article is "thought provoking"? It seems to be "post provoking" too.

    Interesting observations! Hope there will be many more viewpoints expressed for us to think about.

    Barbara

  • steve2
    steve2

    The author, as someone raised in the Pentecodtal

    religion but no longer in it, offers an opinion that borders on simplistic.

    I guess the reason he focuses so specifically on Christian groups who proclaim themselves exclusively as having the only true religion is because that's the sort of background he comes from.

    But he seems intent on sprinkling the word "extremist" through the article and never quite explains how those who believe they are the only true believers are extremists. I would have thought the most relevant index of extremism isn't so much an exclusive outlook compared to others, but one's behaviour and treatment of fellow humans. What dies one's beliefs drive one to do to other people - or to your own fellow believers who you now disapprove of. I can see a case being made for viewing a religion's disciplinary practices as "extreme" such as excommunication, shunning and disfellowshipping - a topic he does not broach.

    I took his once over light regarding Islam as a reflection of his own background and experience in a Christian fundamentalist religion. He wrote from his own background and did not appear to have much firsthand knowledge of Islam - apart from the "extremist" factions within Islam.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Islam benefits from ISIS such that the non-ISIS part is assumed to be "not-extremist" but its only by relative comparison. The reality is that regular Islam is still extreme and usually way more extreme than the most extreme Christianity in the west.

    It's like deciding that the Nazis weren't extreme because they weren't "all" the Waffen SS.

  • steve2
    steve2

    I get your point Simon - any discussion could easily fall into 'degrees' of extremism.

    But in my view (I do not present it as fact), extremism is best measured by behaviour not beliefs. For example, in its bluntest form, stripped of PR niceties about 'Jehovah reading hearts and being the judge etc.' , JW organization teaches that all those not obediently aligned with its policies and practices will be destroyed during the 'great day of Jehovah'.

    Yet, in terms of actual behaviour, JWs do not advocate or carry out any part of this 'destruction'. Is that an extremist belief though? Yes. Does it lead to extremist behaviour? No.

    Yes, the more severe a group's outlook (e.g., ISIS), the more it makes others look less extreme and, by that virtue, more tolerable, if not acceptable. Although I am not convinced that the Muslims living in my local community could be described as extremist in terms of their behaviour on the basis of the above argument.

  • StarTrekAngel
    StarTrekAngel

    I think we should make more clear whether we are comparing religions relative to one another or in an absolute.

    If we are going "relative", then certainly, it is somewhat inaccurate to compare ISIS and other Christians like the JWs and bag them all under extremism.

    If we are going "absolute", then we have already made the case here before that even if you don't die because of the JW doctrines, you still ran the chance of having a very traumatizing experience. Some would argue that it would be better to die

    With that said, and if we concentrate on the JWs alone, people do die because of the doctrines. May be they don't kill innocent bystanders but people still die because of religious beliefs. Saying that JWs are not extreem just because ISIS is more violent, is simply putting a bar on something that should not exist whatsoever. Very much like Dr Applewhite tried to make the case that the JWs were not as bad as the Catholics when it came to child abuse. Not a good excuse. Judge McLean made it very clear. It is not a competition.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Thanks StarTrekAngel - so much hinges on definitions doesn't it? That is perhaps what the Huffington Post article lacked: Any clear conception on what the author meant by "religious extremism". And yes, there are all manner of consequences such as dying for one's beliefs that would easily qualify as "extreme' by most definitions of that word.

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