Comments You Will Not Hear at the 8-24-03 WT Study

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  • blondie
    blondie

    Wow Winston,

    She gives comments that are more accurate [to WTS belief anyways] than what the WT conductor would bring out and ever so slightly 'school' the WT conductor. After the meeting I'd see the two of them 'discussing' the WT study in a corner. Too funny.

    That’s me to a T. Every congregation needs one, except it need not be an elderess. I have heard many a fine comment from a sister that "adjusted" the study conductor.

    Hello Ozziepost,

    So that jumped out at you? My husband and I were talking about that being one reason it was so difficult for JWs to be effective door to door. Being taught that the people behind the door were not real Christians and holding them in contempt certainly meant they wouldn't try very hard. Where was the Christian love? And you can be sure that the people sensed that in JWs that come to their door.

    Good job, Scully,

    I really would like to know where the WTS expects their illustration to go. It doesn't seem to work when you look at it from a practical, reasonable point of view, does it?

    You certainly took the illustration to its logical conclusion. Plus you illustrated the real motive of JWs. Paradise soon is the chant.

    Supposedly the motive is to vindicate God’s sovereignty and sanctify his name. So few JWs mention God’s kingdom or even his name as they know it. A recent CO cautioned our old congregation not to mention that they are Jehovah’s Witnesses in the introduction and not to use the Bible because it would turn people off. Right.

    7/15/99 WT p.

    19
    Out of gratitude to Jehovah, our primary concern should be, not to gain personal salvation, but to witness the sanctification of his holy name and the vindication of his righteous sovereignty.

    HadEnuf

    , I try to always give one vomit timeout, but always feel free to take a break when necessary. I took one occasionally when I still attended, even leaving mid-meeting. I used to go to the back room and turn off the sound unless someone else came back. Once another sister and I turned it off and visited during the whole meeting.

    OhHappyDay

    , good research.
    The Apocalypticism should stop. We should be encouraged to serve God because we love him, not beat to death about giving up everything beacause Armageddon is coming "soon." Every time I see the word "soon" in a WT publication I cringe, because the meaning we give it has no connection with what the word really means.

    As you can tell, I try to highlight that concept in all the WT studies. But the WTS has chastised the rank and file because they do buy into what the WTS is always emphasizing.

    7/1/01 WT

    p. 9

    They also know that he will soon bring an end to all wickedness and transform the earth into a global paradise .

    2/15/00 WT p. 25

    As a result, they do not know of the sound guidance found in the Bible nor of the

    Paradise conditions that God’s Kingdom will soon bring to our earth.

    3/1/00 WT pp. 5-6

    She learned of God’s promise to raise the dead and of God’s Kingdom, which will soon make the earth a paradise .

    But here the WTS chastises the rank and file for believing the hopes the WTS is always promoting.

    7//15/99 p. 18

    Still others scuttle their ship of faith because in their view the haven of the new system of things does not yet seem to be appearing on the horizon. Unable to make time calculations concerning the fulfillment of certain prophecies, and putting "Jehovah’s day" off in their minds, they abandon true worship. (2 Peter 3:10-13; 1 Peter 1:9) They soon find themselves back in the murky, troubled waters of the present system of things. (Isaiah 17:12, 13; 57:20) Some who have stopped associating with the Christian congregation still believe that it practices the true religion. However, they evidently lack the patience and endurance required to wait for the new world that Jehovah God has promised. Life in Paradise has not come soon enough for them.

    A few dedicated Christians in some parts of the world appear to have reefed the sails of their ship of faith. The ship is still afloat, but instead of forging ahead in full faith, they have adopted a cruising speed. Drawn by the hope of "Paradise soon," some were prepared to spare no efforts to attain it
    —zealous in the preaching work and regular in attendance at all meetings, assemblies, and conventions. Now thinking that the realization of their hopes is farther off than they anticipated, they have lowered the price they are willing to pay. This is evident in reduced preaching activity, irregularity at meetings, and willingness to miss parts of assembly or convention programs. Others are devoting more time to recreation and to obtaining material comforts. These facts lead us to consider what should be the driving force in our lives in line with our dedication to Jehovah. Should our zeal in his service be dependent on the hope of "Paradise soon."

    Thanks for your vote of support, Cyberguy.

    Jgnat, thanks for noticing this point.
    An irritating WT corruption of the Christian message is that we, by our own ability, can wash out the blot of sin ourselves.

    This was definitely an extension of the works = salvation concept the WTS promotes. It totally ignores this scripture.

    Ephesians 5:25-27
    just as the Christ also loved the congregation and delivered up himself for it, 26

    that he might sanctify it, cleansing it with the bath of water by means of the word, 27 that he might present the congregation to himself in its splendor, not having a spot or a wrinkle or any of such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish.

    Carlton, thanks too for your support.

    Blondie

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    It is a good job we could not attend this week, otherwise dub wife and the rest of sheepish congo might have heard some comments they were not expecting.

    They had my loyal service for 40 years , five years after I stoped seving the Borg they still expect me to have a"Waiting attitude" toward the half baked philosphy and selected texts from the Bible .

    Par. I The illustration about an expected dinner guest. - Is Jehovah late for dinner? What a bad illustration!

    Par 4 The end is "Now so Near" - Oh yes? they told me that back in the fifties, and others believed it back at the turn of the last century. Still coming , still coming.. like an inconsiderate dinner guest??????

    As Blondie pointed out the article drifts into the same old "Be a good boy or you wont get saved" formula with swipes at the internet as though it was only good for pornography and apostasy"

    Par 13

    Peter emphasises the importance of finally being found by Jehovah to be individuals cleansed by Jesus precious blood. (Rev 7.9.& 14)This requires that a person excercise faith in Jesus sacrifice and become a dedicated and baptised servant of Jehovah.

    Ok so the rest of us get fried at Armagedden ! No matter how good a person they might have been , perhaps they acted out the conduct bits better than their witness neighbour, it does not matter "Support the Borg or God will kill you" I think not!!

    P18. Another poor illustration , this time an experience. Why were witnessess crowding out this man's vending stall at the airport anyway? Inconsiderate so and so's !

    Article finishes with a warning written 2000 years ago about the urgency of the times. It no longer washes with me and will not with other thinking readers of the mag.

    Cant wait for next week!

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Thanks blondie,

    Rock on! Let the tower burn!

    CZAR

  • UpAndAtom
    UpAndAtom

    Scully,

    RE: Should the parents make the children go hungry while these rude guests keep delaying? Is that reasonable?

    Excellent point. Take the illustration to it's logical conclusion - I'm going to practice doing this with their other illustrations and see where I end up. Hey - could make a good website. A list of dub illustrations on the left, with arguments on the right based on their own illustrations but taken further. ha ha.

  • Skeptic
    Skeptic

    LOL! Now that is funny. I replied twice without posting! I never clicked the Submit Post button or went near it. My internet is acting up today. So, I am editting this reply, and will put my original reply in the second reply below.

  • Skeptic
    Skeptic
    I just love the don't be materialistic part . Gag. I guess they mean fork over more dough to the Watch Tower or spend more time selling magazines forget about anything that could make your life easier such as saving for retirement or buying a house or new car .

    heathen, I have always found the Witness view (and the view of some other churches') to be hypocritical. They tell us that there is no need to earn more money, but they don't refuse donations...and the organization is worth billions!

    I am sure the writers of the magazine work hard, but they don't have a mortgage, children, homes to clean, meals to cook, etc. In other words, they are isolated from the real world and all of their basic needs are met. They have never had to work 20 hours days for 3 months straight to ensure that their family was fed and not living on the streets. Needless to say, this is a sour point with me.

    This is just another example of how much the Society is out of touch with the rank and file.

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Blondie, you rock as always. The writers hopefully have a chance to see your withering criticism of their juvenile amateur jottings.

    I am having a real hard time not exploding recently; I have had it up to my eyeballs with the stink of self righteousness that most dubs have.

    I still attend, but my heart and mind left some time ago. I go only for family, but some of my family is starting to draw away from me anyway; my only hope is that the few of us in the family that have "fallen" away can effect some subtle questioning in the rest.

    Sigh.

    Thanks again blondie; I know these are not easy for ya.

    P

  • blondie
    blondie

    Very good summary, Bluesbrother.

    This requires that a person exercise faith in Jesus sacrifice and become a dedicated and baptised servant of Jehovah.

    And wait and see how next week the WTS weasels out of the responsibility of "witnessing" to each and every person.

    Thanks for the encouragement, CZAR.

    Rock on! Let the tower burn!

    My motto is "Hang them by their own words." So if it burns, they will have set themselves on fire.

    UpandAtom

    (nice username),
    Hey - could make a good website. A list of dub illustrations on the left, with arguments on the right based on their own illustrations but taken further

    Now that would be a vomit assignment. The WT article usually only has one or two and that is sickening enough.

    Yes, Scully did a good job on dissecting that illustration.

    I’m sorry, heathen! How could I missed your excellent comment. Thanks to Skeptic, it gets the attention it deserves.

    I just love the don't be materialistic part . Gag. I guess they mean fork over more dough to the Watch Tower

    Wait until next week when donations to the WTS are boldly requested.

    Skeptic

    , thanks for commenting on that.
    I am sure the writers of the magazine work hard, but they don't have a mortgage, children, homes to clean, meals to cook, etc. In other words, they are isolated from the real world and all of their basic needs are met.

    Yes, many at Bethel live in an "ivory tower." That is why many pale at the idea of leaving Bethel. They are not equipped for life on the outside. I met a young brother that had left Bethel at 28 to marry, found himself a father before his first anniversary, and was trying to stay in NYC doing the only thing he knew which was painting. He was living with his in-laws in a one bedroom apartment sleeping on a sofa bed in the living room with the baby. He was having a hard time finding a job because of the 9-year gap in his resume. But at least he had a place to live and food to eat thanks to his in-laws.

    I can emphasize, Pistoff.

    I am having a real hard time not exploding recently; I have had it up to my eyeballs with the stink of self righteousness that most dubs have.

    That is the way I felt the last 2 months I attended. The circuit assembly pushed me over the edge with the DO’s comments comparing "worldly" people to corpses. I could no longer associate with people like that.

    It is part of the "high control group" technique to make people feel they are better than those outside.

    I go only for family, but some of my family is starting to draw away from me anyway.

    One inactive sister told me that her family told her she would die at Armageddon if she didn’t go to meetings. The ones who said this only go about once a week themselves.

    Thanks again for more fine comments.

    An additional remark about the "burning building" illustration. If there are any firefighters that post here, they know that firefighters are spelled by other firefighters so they can regroup, get water, food, rest. No one person is expected to fight a fire nonstop for days, weeks, months, years as the "end" draws near. Firefighters have homes, cars, and other material possessions. They don't get in the way because they are a team taking turns putting out the fire. Oh, well, it sounded better in my mind.

    Next week, Sodom and Gomorrah will be highlighted. As another thread asked, "What was the sin of Sodom?" and how is it worse than the sin of Nineveh. Is the preaching working slowing down? Next week’s article will shed some light.

    Blondie

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Nice work as usual Blondie. I loved the item about how the JWs in Costa Rica created a stir at the airport; sounds like ``playing to the crowd" to me. Of course, the boys in Brooklyn do everything to orchestrate a vision of loving harmony at these conventions; they now vet all those who get to go, and the relentless admonition to be on their best behavior when on public view often impresses the casual observer and the media.

    But as glimpses of the ``dark underbelly" of JW behavior at these assemblies that seeps out of the Kingdom Ministry and its annual ``don't misbehave at assemblies" admonition, the reality is a bit gulier than they would care to admit. All too often they revert to boorish behavior once they get back to their hotel rooms and ``let their hari down" not to mention once they get back to their local Kingdom Hall and the cold reality of facing up to another year of shuffling around door-to-door sets back in.

  • blondie
    blondie

    You pulled that together very well regarding the two-faces of JWs, Room 215.

    The WTS is always reporting on themselves, slapping themselves on their back for their Christian love. If they should quote a worldly source, no name is used and no newspaper citation.

    Blondie

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