So does the Almighty God Jehovah make mistakes, or is the society NOT his spokesman?

by stuckinarut2 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • stuckinarut2

    The society claims to be Jehovah Gods sole channel on earth - his spokesman.

    If any witness disagrees with this claim, they are branded as an Apostate and punished.

    But the society has made countless errors over the century, and repeatedly changed doctrines and beliefs. Not to mention the appalling foundation teachings of the organisation's teachings!

    So a simple question: Is God making msistakes and getting things wrong, or is this proof that the society is not guided by God?

    Seriously, the society can't have its cake and eat it too! Which is it?

    The bible claims "that God is the same yesterday and today" and there is "not a variation". His "ways are perfect" etc....

    So which is it??

  • Xanthippe

    Apparently the one who created the universe, billions of galaxies, the earth and the human ear cannot get his message across to the GB. If his son really could walk on water and raise the dead surely he could get his spokesmen on earth to get the message right first time.

  • notsurewheretogo

    Well they admit in the Feb study mag that the GB err with doctrines and are not inspired.

  • ToesUp

    Now stuck... that would be presumptuous to answer that question. Lol

  • Sorry

    Exactly. But the brothers and sisters always use the excuse 'the light gets brighter' at Proverbs 4:18. First of all, when you look at the rest of Proverbs 4, that scripture is taken out of context. But let's say this was true. The light getting brighter would mean that doctrine is clarified, more understandable. Reversing and going back and forth isn't the light getting brighter. Saying organ transplants are a gift of modern medicine, to say they're cannibalism, then going back and saying is a personal decision proves their decisions aren't 'guided by holy spirit'. Don't even get me started on blood, the worship of Jesus and the meaning of generations.

  • blondie

    The WTS likes to point to the change in requiring circumcision as an example of how God makes changes. but.......

    1) So-called GB (word not in bible) in Acts said circumcision was no longer required based on the spirit-anointed men final decision based on the scriptures (not NT at that time so OT scriptures), and prayer for holy spirit.

    2) Yet Peter had to be sent visions from God saying that Gentiles were now clean in God's eyes without being circumcised....God sent visions 3 times. Cornelius supposedly had an angel send for Peter. Peter would not baptize these Gentiles until he say them exhibiting powers of the holy spirit. Gift of the spirit before baptism had not happened before ore after.

    3) Yet Peter came to the Galatian congregation where the Jewish Christians would not associate with the Gentile Christians. The Galatian Christians sent for Paul who came and corrected Peter and the rest in front of the whole congregation.

    3) Yet Paul had Timothy be circumcised not to offend the Jews.

    Consider another example. At Acts 16:3, we learn that before taking Timothy along on his Christian journeys, Paul circumcised him. Yet, in verse 4 we read that Paul and Timothy thereafter traveled through the cities delivering “the decrees that had been decided upon by the apostles and older men who were in Jerusalem.” Among those decrees was the decision that Christians were no longer under law to get circumcised! (Acts 15:5, 6, 28, 29) Why did Paul feel that it was necessary for Timothy to be circumcised? “Because of the Jews that were in those places, for one and all knew that [Timothy’s] father was a Greek.” Paul did not want to cause unnecessary offense or stumbling. He was concerned that Christians keep “recommending [themselves] to every human conscience in the sight of God.”—2 Corinthians 4:2; 1 Corinthians 9:19-23.

    w03 12/1 pp. 20-23

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  • scratchme1010

    So which is it??

    None; they are full of --it.

    The whole concept of some "Jehovah" having such convoluted way of communicating (leave alone that his message is intended to be one that should save as many lives as possible - according to them) is just top notch nonsense to me. Any given tweet in Twitter today is capable of mobilizing thousands if not millions of people.

    Yet, the so-called creator of the universe chooses to communicate what is supposed to be the most important message to save humanity by having an organization publish gazillions of publications explaining the message from a book that was written thousands of years ago in limited languages and at a time when humanity was the most naive at its views of the world, and if that's not bad enough, the book was written in parables, prophesies, visions and dreams. Nonsense.

  • steve2

    You are too kind in the time frame over which the organization/GB has made mistakes; it's more than a century.. The Watchtower Society was set up as a legal corporation in the 1870s - that's more than 130 years of building up an impressive body of mistakes and changed doctrines.

  • Phizzy

    Jehovah makes mistakes, like choosing those buffoons as his spokesman.

    Right answer ?

  • DesirousOfChange

    Why did Paul feel that it was necessary for Timothy to be circumcised? “Because of the Jews that were in those places, for one and all knew that [Timothy’s] father was a Greek.” Paul did not want to cause unnecessary offense or stumbling.

    What is it about all these guys back in the 1st Century looking at each other's dicks all the time? How else would anyone know if a person was circumcised? . . . . Doc

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