No, They Will Never Notice! (page 2)

jp1692

Does the NWT actually have the phrase “governing body” in the text of the Bible or is it just in that index?

Earnest

jp1692 : Does the NWT actually have the phrase “governing body” in the text of the Bible or is it just in that index?

Good point, jp1692. "governing body" is only included in the overview, it is not part of the translation. Acts 15:22 (NWT Study Edition) reads:

Then the apostles and the elders, together with the whole congregation, decided to send chosen men from among them to Antioch, along with Paul and Barʹna·bas; they sent Judas who was called Barʹsab·bas and Silas, who were leading men among the brothers..

Compare this with the Gideon bible here:

Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers

StephaneLaliberte

JW reasoning:

The apostles = Governing Body

The elders = Governing Body helpers

The whole congregation = represented by the apostles and the elders.

Half banana

The scripture at Acts 15, not written by Paul, represents one particular contemporary strain of Christian thinking from among those who were conscious of the non-Jewish converts who wanted clarification on doctrine.

Christianity from the start was diversified and full of divisions because even before the invention of the Roman Church, which really did universalise belief through force, there were many sects developing and diverging. What appears in the final Roman selection of scripture in Acts, is an almost democratic mission to sort out a problem of teaching. There is no mention of a supreme authority as there came to be in the fourth century under Imperial Rome.

Rome had absolute control but the leaders of the JW organisation function in a solipsistic bubble, collectively they have Solipsism syndrome.

"This refers to a psychological state in which a person feels that reality is not external to his or her mind". That is; only what we think is right....is right. It includes the inability to see that others could be right with an alternative viewpoint. It is an essential defect for leaders of a religious cult. Democracy in any form is the death of this type of autocratic leadership.

For one hundred and forty one years seeing themselves as privileged members of the governance of the Watchtower, the GB imagine they are the apple of God's eye, the very focus of his attention!. They are a collective of narcissists who are even prepared to alter the Bible to favour their own role as divinely appointed leaders and credit their own work as ordained by scripture.

What hubris!

It can only lead to their downfall.

tottenkopf

So when I was growing up inside the cult I was told and we looked down on the Baptists for saying Rapture. I was taught its not in the bible they just inserted it. You can not add to the bible. But they insert GB and that is just fine. LOL they are such Hypocrites.

carla

Ask them to get a hold of an old KIT and compare. They won't and will find the request highly suspicious. I speak from experience. Took the elder months to get my newbie jw a copy then he wouldn't read the darn thing and had to return it. Why wouldn't he read it? because, like an idiot, I told him some ex jw's had read it and left the org because if it.

Mr.Finkelstein

Here is a list of what many bible translations say concerning that scripture ....

New International Version
Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers.

New Living Translation
Then the apostles and elders together with the whole church in Jerusalem chose delegates, and they sent them to Antioch of Syria with Paul and Barnabas to report on this decision. The men chosen were two of the church leaders—Judas (also called Barsabbas) and Silas.

English Standard Version
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,

Berean Study Bible
Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to select men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas called Barsabbas and Silas, two leaders among the brothers,

Berean Literal Bible
Then it seemed good to the apostles and to the elders, with the whole church, having chosen out from them, to send men to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: Judas called Barsabbas and Silas, leading men among the brothers,

New American Standard Bible
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas-- Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren,

New King James Version
Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

King James Bible
Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

Christian Standard Bible
Then the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, decided to select men who were among them and to send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: Judas, called Barsabbas, and Silas, both leading men among the brothers.

Contemporary English Version
The apostles, the leaders, and all the church members decided to send some men to Antioch along with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Silas and Judas Barsabbas, who were two leaders of the Lord's followers.

Good News Translation
Then the apostles and the elders, together with the whole church, decided to choose some men from the group and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose two men who were highly respected by the believers, Judas, called Barsabbas, and Silas,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, decided to select men who were among them and to send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: Judas, called Barsabbas, and Silas, both leading men among the brothers.

International Standard Version
Then the apostles, the elders, and the whole church decided to choose some of their men to send with Paul and Barnabas to Antioch. These were Judas, who was called Barsabbas, and Silas, who were leaders among the brothers.

NET Bible
Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to send men chosen from among them, Judas called Barsabbas and Silas, leaders among the brothers, to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas.

New Heart English Bible
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, chief men among the brothers.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Then the Apostles and the Elders, with the whole church, chose men from among them and they sent Yehuda, who is called Bar-Shaba, and Shila, to Antiakia with Paulus and BarNaba, men who were Leaders among the brethren.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Then the apostles, the spiritual leaders, and the whole church decided to choose some of their men to send with Paul and Barnabas to the city of Antioch. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, who were leaders among the believers.

New American Standard 1977
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas—Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren,

King James 2000 Bible
Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabbas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

American King James Version
Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brothers:

American Standard Version
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely , Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

Douay-Rheims Bible
Then it pleased the apostles and ancients, with the whole church, to choose men of their own company, and to send to Antioch, with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas, who was surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren.

Darby Bible Translation
Then it seemed good to the apostles and to the elders, with the whole assembly, to send chosen men from among them with Paul and Barnabas to Antioch, Judas called Barsabas and Silas, leading men among the brethren,

English Revised Version
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

Webster's Bible Translation
Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch, with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

Weymouth New Testament
Thereupon it was decided by the Apostles and Elders, with the approval of the whole Church, to choose suitable persons from among themselves and send them to Antioch, with Paul and Barnabas. Judas, called Bar-sabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, were selected,

World English Bible
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole assembly, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, chief men among the brothers.

Young's Literal Translation
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole assembly, chosen men out of themselves to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas -- Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren

Atlantis

WOW! Finky is on a roll and kicking ass again!

Thanks Finky!

Petra!

waton

I think "Jesus" sweating for ~ 30 years on his workbench ( hobelbank)*** was fantasizing about an egalitarian society: hence his instructions: " call no one your leader or [ spiritual ] father "

M Fs' quotations are full if leaders, leading men, , chiefs, only the word
" governing" is missing from these translations, and the 'no no list' of the sermon.

***proclaimers book page 426.

Atlantis

waton:

Ok, thank you!

Petra!

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