Then there was light.

by Earnest 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • waton

    wasted all those years believing a god had created the universe when I now consider the wonders of the universe

    Fa 1962: why consider it a waste, it was your life, hopefully well lived. now,

    these wonders of the universe have been developing for 13.8 billion years, our planet only since 4.5,, so, just because the bigger machines, higher telescopes show us how delicate and immense the whole thing really is, does not mean that suddenly the possible maker of it all does not exist or matters any more. just because we know now how it works, does not mean it was not work in the first place. yes,

    the scientist deserve credit for their discoveries, but more credit / respect is due for the possible one that made it ready to be discovered in the first place. btw,

    the term "big bang" was meant to be a joke when is was coined. instead,

    do not take the "first light " question lightly.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    There are many unexpected transient events in our solar system: If the solar system actually were billions and billions of years old, by now it should have reached a stasis. Instead, scientists observe a great number of fleeting, short-lived occurrences (transient phenomena) including:

    - Mercury: rapid decline of its magnetic field
    - Venus: recent volcanic eruptions and the apparent signficant slowing of rotation
    - Earth: rapid decline of magnetic field; inner core melting; black smokers; rapidly changing "ancient" geologic features
    - Moon: cites unexpected heat, dust, molten outer core, volcanism, radon & helium emissions
    - Mars: eruption of apparent water vapor plumes to 200 kilometers and outgassing of its moons Phobos and Deimos
    - Jupiter: moon Europa erupting and Io giving off 10x more heat than tidal pumping can explain
    - Saturn: rings are young and changing and Enceladus is erupting (hear RSR interview former JPL systems administrator)
    - Comets: short-period comets (and the Oort cloud will never be found, because it does not exist)
    - Asteroids: that outgass, that have six tails, the look like comets, etc., see, NASA, EarthSky, etc.
    - TNOs: Trans-Neptunian Objects are thousands of years old because millions of years would have randomized their perihelions
    - And please send any examples that you may come across to us at [email protected].

    * More Mars News: Nasa finds that Mars, "once had 1-mile deep oceans and STILL remains moist".

  • Earnest

    Sea Breeze : Your post assumes a Big Bang as a starting point.

    It's true there are other theories as to how the material universe began. But they have to explain why the universe is expanding as shown by the red shift. When an object moves away from us, the light is shifted to the red end of the spectrum, as its wavelengths get longer. If an object moves closer, the light moves to the blue end of the spectrum, as its wavelengths get shorter. The evidence is that everything is moving away i.e. the universe is expanding. That must have had a starting point and the most widely accepted explanation in the scientific community is that of the Big Bang.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    I agree that expansion implies "a beginning". But, beginning of what?

    Redshift could easily be interpreted that our galaxy is near the center of the universe. But, that view is virtually ritually rejected by atheist observers on philosophical grounds, not science. The reason they don't like it is obvious, it does not favor a random position that a BB model would predict.

    - Edwin Hubble: As patron saint of atheist cosmologists, in. his 1936 classic, The Observational Approach to Cosmology, Hubble admits that it is philosophy and not observational science that leads him to believe that the universe has no center. Summing up his pages 50-59, creationist astrophysicist John Hartnett writes: "[W]hat Edwin Hubble concluded [was that] his observations of the galaxies’ redshifts indicated to him that we are at the center of a symmetric matter distribution. But Hubble rejected his own conclusion—that we are in a very special place—on philosophical grounds." For example:

    "Such a condition would imply that we occupy a unique position in the universe, analogous, in a sense, to the ancient conception of a central earth. The hypothesis cannot be disproved but it is unwelcome..." Regarding the possibility that "the observer [is] in a unique position [this] unwelcome supposition of a favoured location must be avoided at all costs. Therefore, we accept the uniform distribution..." -Edwin Hubble, author of, ehem, The Observational Approach to Cosmology ;)

    Here are other related quotes.

    The Sloan Digital Sky Survey Image of Galaxies, (each pixel is equal to one galaxy) doesn't look like the result of a BB to me. Where are the random radial arms? Light a firecracker in the sand and see them for yourself. Explosions just look different.... an explosion certainly would not create concentric circles of galaxies around the center of the explosion seen below.

    Sloan Sky Map of the universe

  • waton

    Hoyle's Big Bang implies an initial acceleration and then a translating of the first energy burst into distance, and they are still fine tuning the rate at that expansion. and it is accelerating, which means more energy being expanded as we go, One alternative theory has the universe acquiring that from the spacetime that the universe expands into. another is of course that matter, stored since the beginning, is converted into energy to fuel & drivel further acceleration.

    One feature of the Big Bang follow up in mainstream science, is inflation, an expansion of spacetime faster than even the speed of light.

    There are many unexpected transient events in our solar system SB.

    It speaks for the robustness of the resonance based harmony/stability here, that it was sturdy enough to allow fragile life to evolve over 4.5 billion years.

    all done with energy and the right natural laws.

    There is a theory, that universes that BIg banged with different laws, did not last to see life emerge.

    My money is on that is was wrought right in the first place.

    second thought, if heavy elements were only forget in the normous pressure of stars, supernovae, why was there only hydrogen and some helium after the beginning, if it was such a banging compression?

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    And then there was land:

    This island near Iceland is bursting with wildlife...... birds, spiders, plants, etc.

    Anyone want to take a guess how old this island is?

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    Surtsy Island didn't exist before 1963.

  • waton
    Surtsy Island didn't exist before 1963.

    SB: and already being colonized by life that started to profilate 4 billion years ago.

    I worked in a coalmine once, where fossilized life forms were buried 1000+ meters below the surface. May be that carbon rich new layer on Surtsey will turn into coal too, and buried that deep.

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