Could we use the new shunning guidelines to our advantage?

by Island Man 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    According to new, officially published guidelines, JWs can now shun a person who has not been disfellowshipped from the congregation.

    I see this guideline being abused by many JWs who have an axe to grind with a fellow JW. For example, let's say sister Peinindiass rubs sister Sensitive the wrong way. Sister Sensitive decides she will shun sister Peinindiass. The elders ask her why she is behaving in such an unchristian way toward sister Peinindiass. Sister Sensitive responds by citing the guidelines to shun anyone who, although not disfellowshipped, has been practicing serious sin. The elders inquire if she knows that sister Peinindiass has been practicing serious sin. She says yes. She concocts a story of catching sister Peinindiass committing fornication with a worldly person that she (sister Sensitive) does not know. She says she told sister Peinindiass to go to the elders and sister Peinindiass told her she would do no such thing and that she (sister Sensitive) should shut her mouth and mind her own business. She further says that sister Peinindiass told her that even if she reported her to the elders she would vehemently deny it and it would go nowhere given that she does not have a second witness or evidence.

    Can the elders tell her to stop shunning a JW whom she knows (from their perspective) is practicing serious sin but which cannot be proved in a judicial committee to result in disfellowshipping? Can they stop her from doing it while the org teaches to shun JWs practicing serious sin although not disfellowshipped? And what would other JWs think of sister Peinindiass when they see sister Sensitive shunning her. Surely they'll think that sister Sensitive must know that sister Peinindiass has committed a serious sin and so sister Peinindiass will surely become the object of gossip.

    But more importantly, what if sister Sensitive is an awake JW, and sister Peinindiass is a nasty elderette who you'd like to get back at? Or what if instead of sister Peinindiass, it's elder Peinindiass who's harassing you to be out more or attend more regularly or giving you shit about your decision to go to university?

    All you now have to do is shun them under the new guidelines and when asked why you're shunning them you can just say you know certain things that you cannot prove to the satisfaction of a JC and you don't want to be accused of, or sued for slander, so you're just loyally following the guidelines to shun serious sinners even though they've not be disfellowshipped.

  • slimboyfat

    I was thinking similar. But then again, the new guidelines (if they really are new) seem to be talking about inactive people. Apparently meaning people who no longer attend meetings and may not have done so for a long time, but who somehow slipped under the net and escaped disfellowship while doing things that would merit disfellowship. So it wouldn't arise that a sister in the congregation does this to another sister in the congregation. If they are both at the meetings then neither is inactive and they are not covered by the instructions.

    But it does seem like it gives license to bully inactive people who may have maintained some contacts in the congregation. They probably perceive these people on the periphery as corrosive and time they were rooted out.

  • dbq407

    I find it hard to believe many will shun any who aren't officially df'd. Witnesses need a label on everyone and if they don't have the df'd label they probably won't shun them. Maybe the org needs a limited association label or something where you can only talk to them if they come to the k.h.

    Hope i didn't just give them an idea haha.

  • slimboyfat

    They already have the "marking" system over which there seems to be some confusion. Some JWs think a person is only "marked" if there is a talk specifically about them In a local needs talk. Others seem to think it's up to individuals to decide who is to be marked when, based on their own "consciences".

  • Flg8ter

    Is there a link to the new guidelines?

  • KiddingMe

    I also would like to see these new guidelines. Is there a link or is this from the new videos?

  • Zoos
    I find it hard to believe many will shun any who aren't officially df'd. Witnesses need a label on everyone and if they don't have the df'd label they probably won't shun them.

    My housemate was never DFed and never DAed. But the moment she stopped going to meetings, EVERYONE in that hall shunned her - including the old pioneer sister who studied with her a "helped" bring her into the fold.

  • New day
    New day

    People are mentioning new official shunning guidelines on shunning faders who are not DF'd. As I think somebody once said in a presidential campaign, "where's the beef?" It may be true, but spill the beans!

  • Doctor Who
    Doctor Who

    Sisters in my old congregation have been doing this for years! Years I say! Our old COBE's wife was an expert at it.

  • blondie

    2 Thess 3:14,15

    14 But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked and stop associating with him,+ so that he may become ashamed. 15 And yet do not consider him an enemy, but continue admonishing him+ as a brother.

    In the publications families and individuals were allowed to individually mark others but not to insist that others follow their lead...

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