The earthly resurrection pipe dream

by Sour Grapes 18 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Sour Grapes
    Sour Grapes

    I woke up this morning thinking about when my mom died about 10 years ago. She was an avid JDub and was confident that she would be resurrected to an earthly paradise petting zoo. If I would today go to my mom's house and because God brought her back to life, saw her sitting in her favorite chair, would she really be my mom? I know that her five pounds of cremates are still several feet under the grass. If she hugged me and knew all of our family details would that make her my mom? She would be someone who looked like Mom and knew the things that mom knew.

    If God could recreate one mom could he just as easily make three moms for me? Of course, God could make as many as he wanted to. That means that the mom or moms sitting in her favorite chairs would only be a copy of my mom.

    If the Borg with their Overlapper ringleaders were to promise that if we are faithful to Jehovah to the very end and we die that God will resurrect a copy of us that may give the JW's a reason to think about the need to focus on the life we now have not the one that we will never get.

    Sour Grapes

  • carla

    I had this conversation with my jw years ago. I asked him, so, God only clones you? He could make many copies of you? which one would be you? He responded with, God wouldn't do that. me-How do you know? him-changes the subject thinks I am just being a smart aleck about it all. I wasn't, I truly wanted him to answer me with some sort answer that made any sense at all. silly me.

  • sir82

    Those are excellent questions which the recent WT study article on resurrections scrupulously avoided.

    Without wanting to get too spoiler-y, if you haven't seen the movie "The Prestige", you certainly should.

  • Sour Grapes
    Sour Grapes

    I think that God would have to make clones since as JDubs think, the resurrected will have the same DNA as when the person was alive. A copy would not have to have the identical DNA, just look like the person and give them some memories.

    So if we die, our clones may get to live forever. Will the colony of earthly clones be thankful that the original source of DNA before the Great Tribulation was faithful to God even in the face of death?

    Long live the clones !!!!!!!


    When we die, maybe our consciousness is uploaded to Jehoogle Cloud?? Then we can just be downloaded to a new body that resembles our old one?

    DD 🤔

  • no-zombie

    This has been a thing for me for quite some time.

    If a person does not have a soul or spirit that lives on after death, that links the two bodies together (the one that has died and the newly built one); then clearly the resurrected person is just a clone ... with the real person dead and gone. With this simple logic beyond most Witnesses, of course.

    Of course back in the 1800s, CT Russel had no concept of cloning either, but some other theologians might have when they considered the idea of soul sleep as a way of understanding Ecclesiastes 9:5. And it sort of harmonized the words of Jesus, when he said he was going to wake Lazarus from death.

    Not that I'm sure of one idea or another anymore these days.

    no zombe

  • no-zombie

    As a post script ... a great way to understand the plight of clones can be found through the character of Sam Bell in the movie MOON. Even if you are not into science fiction films, its worth watching even for its philosophical view.

    no zombie

  • Sour Grapes
    Sour Grapes

    There is not one shred of evidence that there has even been one resurrection on earth unless you believe in the Bible that was written 2,000 years ago.

    Let's not forget that this is the same book that says there was a worldwide flood, a snake and a donkey talked, the red sea was parted, and the sun and moon stayed motionless so the Israelites could win a battle.

    Maybe I am just too pessimistic. I have lost my faith but no my mind.

  • LongHairGal


    That’s what I believed. I figured our life force or “soul” was uploaded and stored in an infinite memory bank, and at some later date it would be downloaded into a “new” body. That’s the only way a resurrection could make sense. I now realize the JWs have a teaching of a “hereafter”, just like Christendom does. But their hereafter is supposed to be on earth.

    But, even this carrot-on-a-string teaching wasn’t enough to make me stay with the Witness religion after I had enough of their BS. I purged my mind of this teaching which was nothing but a tease.

  • venus

    Sour Grape

    You wrote: "There is not one shred of evidence that there has even been one resurrection on earth."

    This is true. If there was one resurrection at any time in the history, that would have marked the end of all religions because that is the absolute proof the one who performed it is God, and everybody on earth would have abandoned his religion and followed Him.

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