not sure what I think about this--yet.........

Ravyn

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/127/story_12772.html

Ravyn

SpannerintheWorks

Is this guy a Liberal Christian or what? I think I could grow to like him and his beliefs!

Spanner

JH

Jesus Will Save You--Whether You Agree or Not

This message is 180 degrees opposite from the Watchtowe teachings. Every religion has it's own beliefs. This is just another belief... lol

Ravyn, your avatar is too small. Do you rather this one. It,s the same girl

nowisee

i am somewhat familiar with the teaching of inclusion.... there is something that strikes a deep chord within me, particularly if God is indeed Love. i am still searching, researching, questioning.

Ravyn

The Only Way Religion Is Going to Disappear by LeGrande Blount

We want to believe what everyone in our group believes. When Americans point at Sadam Hussein, we want everyone in the group to sneer. We want them to sneer because we sneer. We can all agree he is evil and does evil things. We can all agree he is rotten even though we have no direct or very often circuitous evidence that he is responsible for evil. Someone from our government told us he was bad and by golly he must be. "If my man George Bush says he's bad, I like George Bush and therefore Sadam must be bad." I've never met an Iraqi, I've never seen what his government is like or whether his people think he's OK or not. But that is really not the reason most Americans believe we need to go to war. They believe what their friends believe, and hate the people their friends hate, and they all can recite the "real" Pledge of Allegiance just like all their friends can.

One of the greatest needs of the human being is being a part of the group. Even if what the group is doing is idiotic. Even if what the group is professing is irrational. Being part of the group has more sway than you might ever believe. Men don't stand in military ranks because of some devotion to a greater cause or some high moral principle. They stand there and die because they think being part of that group of friends is more important than their own life. They won't let down their friends and fellow soldiers. Their officers won't let down their superiors. Being part of the group far out distances the need to be rational, or self-preserving, or any other motivation save possibly defending their own child.

Until there are established groups, clubs, associations that espouse rational thought, and critical thinking, there is little chance of upturning the theistic support clubs called churches. Nontheists need to meet, discuss, encourage and debate. They need to form the groups that are so essential to human beings. Because they are humans and humans need to be part of a group of common minds. They need to pick out groups to despise, fundamentalists or creationists will do. They need to have common creeds that they can all recite.

We are all human beings and have these basic desires to be part of the group. The most frequent and common group where we can gain acceptance and support is the church group. All you have to do is declare allegiance to the Grand Poobah and profess to believe a ridiculous fairy tale, and you are in. Loved for exactly who you are. Accepted as part of the group. Going to share in the great riches of the afterlife. Ready willing and able to hate who we hate, love who we love, and provide a covered dish of your choice on Pot Luck Tuesday. Tomorrow they could change the names in the church to Twinkle Toes the savior and Herman Munster the great Botswani in the sky, and as long as no one raised too much of a stink, the folks would still show up on Sunday and still show up at Tuesday's covered dish supper. Until there is an alternative choice to what those groups provide, the chances of eliminating the religious effect from this country is nil. Humans need that group behavior--rational or not.

http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=268

DJ

Hi Ravyn,

He picks and chooses verses that he likes and ignores the rest imho...

teenyuck

So everyone is saved through the cross and through Jesus, but people don't have to believe that?
It's just like the sun's rays reach Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, and backsliders. How do you receive sunlight? Even on an overcast day, the solar rays reach the planet. The Son of God is as inclusive and non-discriminatory in his light and warmth as the sun is.
You don't have to do anything or believe anything. You can be born blind, but the sunlight will still shine on you. God is greater and bigger than the s-U-n.

I like it. I can still think what I want and be saved. Kewl.

amac

He loves everybody, he understands everybody, and he has a covenant with everybody.

Sooooo was that his evil twin brother playing God in the Old Testament? Or does he have split personalities?

drwtsn32

This is great news! Now I can live in sin, worship satan, and still get to heaven! Rock on!

StinkyPantz

Ravyn-

I hope this guy is right, because this is my only chance .

DJ-

He picks and chooses verses that he likes and ignores the rest imho...

I'm sure that you're right, I didn't actually read the whole article. But I also believe that ALL religious people do this.

not sure what I think about this--yet.........

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