Are you for or against....

by RubyTuesday 39 Replies latest social current

  • ThiChi

    ""Yep. And until it (defecit money) is put back and protected, there should be no tax cuts at the hands of short-sighted politicians or short-sighted Thi Chi's.""

    Short sighted? You only offer a False Dilemma, or one choice.

    Fact: It is projected spending that is causing the deficit. Lets cut spending.

    Fact: Want to raise revenues? Cut Taxes, President Kennedy and Reagan proved this.

    ""The country was in the best shape for years until Bush got it's in the worse shape EVER""


    1. The economy started to dive in Clinton’s term

    2. How much can President Bush, or any President spend? A: Not one red cent. It is the Congress that has the power to spend.

    3. Factors such as 9/11 must be taken into account.

  • searchfothetruth

    The 9/11 blanket excuse for usual.

  • borgfree

    Isn't it true that government borrowing is another tax? It seems to me that the government taxes us as much as they can and then, so they can spend even more, without looking like they are increasing our taxes by some huge amount, they borrow more money to spend, money that must be paid back, with interest.

    I think if we knew the total amount we are being taxed, there might be a revolt, then again, maybe not, I think we now have more people on the receiving end of government (taxpayers) handouts than we have contributers. Socialist America.


  • ThiChi

    Mark, would you not agree that it has had some impact related to the budget and economy?

  • ThiChi

    Who am I to argue with the Captain of the Enterprise?

    You make very good points. If I ever had to start a crusade, it would be to move our National elections to the date of April 15 th , the same day our Taxes are due! That would change a thing or two.

    Notwithstanding the above, it has only been since 1913 that we have even had the Income Tax, with all the problems it has caused (privacy rights, controlling actions through taxing, etc.,)

  • searchfothetruth

    Of course it has ThiChi, i'm not trying to say it hasn't, but all we seem to here from the government when any problem comes up is

    'since 9/11...'.

    The government passed through congress, straight after 9/11 many extra billions of dollars worth of spending on the back of 9/11, and this went through un-protested by everyone due to the impact of the attack.

    But the economy was on it's way down BEFORE 9/11 and so using it as an excuse for all ill's is wrong.

  • ThiChi

    I agree:

    ""...this blame-somebody politics from the Clinton nineties is outdated. A new Harris poll shows that 91% of the American people are satisfied with their lives. 57% are very satisfied with their lives, 63% expect their lives to get better over the next five years. ...... People are satisfied with George W. Bush. Americans are satisfied with the direction in which the country is going. We're not looking to change leaders....... . """

  • Yerusalyim


    Actually, the economy was in a recovery before 9-11, recovery from the recession that started under clinton. The Economy took over a 1 trillion dollar hit on 9-11, that hurt the tax base and the economy both. No, it's not a blanket excuse, it's simply a fact.

  • searchfothetruth

    Deficit under Bush

    Case rest, m'lud

  • Realist

    concerning the deficit...

    how about reducing the military spendings? 400 billion are projected for the new fighter planes...the military costs 360 billion a year (which is projected to go further up) and another 100 billion were just wasted on a total unnecessary war. especially in times of weak economy it might be better to spend this kind of money for useful industries.

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