Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-12-2017 WT Study (FREE WILL)

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    First the WTS says that wanting other to make your decisions for you is not valuing God’s gift of free will.

    How many jws maybe you too ran to the elders or other jws to make your decisions for you?

    Second, the WTS blows out of the water any definition of “free will” and then replaces it with their own version, limited but not absolute free will.


    Treasure Your Gift of Free Will

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    Treasure Your Gift of Free Will

    “Where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.”—2 COR. 3:17.


    • What is free will?

    • How can the way we use our freedom of choice reveal the depth of our love for Jehovah?

    • How can we show respect for the decisions of others?

      1, 2. (a) What different views do people have regarding the matter of free will? (b) What does the Bible teach us about our freedom of choice, and what questions will we consider?

      WHEN faced with making a personal choice, one woman told a friend: “Do not make me think; just tell me what to do. That is easier.” The woman preferred being told what to do instead of using a precious gift from her Creator, the gift of free will. What about you? Do you like making your own decisions, or do you prefer that others decide for you? How do you view the matter of free will?


      So has the WTS counseled jws to go to the elders or to figure it out on their own? What kind of jw were you, your family, your friends? Aren’t jws afraid they will make the wrong decision and be disciplined by the elders or others? Even if they research the WTS publications?

      2 People have debated this subject for centuries. Some claim that there is no such thing as free will—that all our actions are predetermined by God. Others argue that true free will is only possible if we have absolute freedom. However, to understand this matter properly, we must turn to God’s Word, the Bible. Why? It reveals that Jehovah created us with free will; that is, the capacity and freedom to make our own intelligent choices. (Read Joshua 24:15.) The Bible also answers such questions as: How should our freedom to make decisions be exercised? Does it have limitations? How does the way we use our freedom of choice reveal the depth of our love for Jehovah? How can we show respect for the decisions of others?


      Make our own intelligent choices? Only from information from the bible; but ordinary jws are told they cannot understand the bible without help from the GB and WTS publications, how is that free will?


      3. What example does Jehovah set in the use of his freedom?

      3 Jehovah alone has absolute freedom, but the way he uses it sets a pattern for us. For example, he chose to select the nation of Israel as his name people, “his special property.” (Deut. 7:6-8) This was not an arbitrary choice. Jehovah was being true to a promise that he had made centuries earlier to his friend Abraham. (Gen. 22:15-18) Furthermore, Jehovah always exercises his freedom in harmony with his attributes of love and justice. This is evident in the way he disciplined the Israelites, who repeatedly abandoned true worship. When they expressed heartfelt repentance, Jehovah willingly extended love and mercy, saying: “I will heal their unfaithfulness. I will love them of my own free will.” (Hos. 14:4) What a fine example of using his freedom for the benefit of others!


      Does god have absolute freedom? He has made laws for the universe….does he then break his own laws of science and morality?

      4, 5. (a) Who was the first to receive God’s gift of free will, and how did he use it? (b) What question must each of us ask?

      4 When Jehovah began his creative works, he lovingly chose to bestow free will on his intelligent creatures. The first one to receive this gift was his firstborn Son, “the image of the invisible God.” (Col. 1:15) Even before coming to earth, Jesus chose to remain loyal to his Father and not join Satan in his rebellion. Later, when Jesus was on earth, he exercised his free will to reject the temptations of the great Adversary. (Matt. 4:10) In earnest prayer the night before his death, Jesus reaffirmed his determination to do the will of God. He said: “Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) May we imitate Jesus and use our free will to honor Jehovah and to do his will! Is that really possible?


      So no one really has free will based on the WTS…choose the wrong thing per god, you die, eventually, Satan didn’t die immediately, in fact he is still around per the WTS.

      FREE WILL and life = obeying and honoring God, but only the way the GB/WTS says is correct.

      5 Yes, we can imitate the example of Jesus, for we too are made in God’s image and likeness. (Gen. 1:26) However, we have limitations. We do not have the absolute freedom that Jehovah has. God’s Word explains that our freedom has boundaries and that we must observe the limits Jehovah appropriately places on us. What is more, wives are to be in subjection to their husbands and children to their parents. (Eph. 5:22; 6:1) How do these limitations affect the way we use our free will? The answer to that question can determine our everlasting future.


      But single adult women are not subject to anyone….unless it is in the antiquated idea that women live under daddy’s authority until they get married.

      Are women made in god’s image per the WTS? Or is it qualified?

      *** g80 4/8 p. 5 People—How They Began ***In a particular respect man was in God’s image where woman was not—in headship. (1 Cor. 11:3, 7)


      6. Illustrate why it is proper for our freedom to have limitations.

      6 Is having free will with limits real freedom? Yes, it is! Why can we say that? Limitations put on people’s freedom can protect them. For example, we may exercise our freedom of choice to drive to a distant city. However, would we feel safe traveling on highways where there were no traffic laws, where everyone was free to decide how fast or on which side of the road to drive? Obviously not. Limits are necessary in order for all to enjoy the blessings of true freedom. To illustrate further the wisdom of using our free will within the boundaries set by Jehovah, let us consider some Bible examples.


      But is it true freedom if it is based on being killed, fear? Ask yourself if you have children, can you always be with them? Do you give them many rules or do you reason with them on the pros and cons of their actions? How well do people obey traffic rules, enforced with punishments and fines?

      Adam and Eve were given rules, the Jews were given 600 rules which their religious leaders found necessary to add to. Jws have the bible which the WTS does not think enough but uses many of their publications to “explain” it those without their special access to god’s wisdom.

      7. (a) How did the gift of free will distinguish Adam from other forms of life in Eden? (b) Describe one way that Adam exercised his free will.

      7 When creating the first human, Adam, God gave him the same gift he had given his intelligent creatures in heaven, the gift of free will. This set Adam apart from the animals, since they live according to instinct. Consider an example of how Adam used his free will in an appropriate way. Animals were created before man. However, Jehovah reserved the joy of naming those creatures for his first human son. God “began bringing them to the man to see what he would call each one.” After Adam observed each animal and assigned it a suitable name, Jehovah did not step in and override Adam’s choices. Rather, “whatever the man would call each living creature, that became its name.”—Gen. 2:19.


      So is it free will if others decide what is appropriate? Take 5 elders and you can get 5 opinions, then there’s the WTS ever-changing policies/doctrines, and finally the unknown jw or worldly person who might be stumbled by your free will choice.

      8. How did Adam misuse his free will, and with what result?

      8 Regrettably, Adam was not content with his God-given assignment as cultivator and caretaker of the earthly paradise. He was not satisfied with his extensive freedom to carry out his God-given mandate: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish . . . , the flying creatures . . . , and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” (Gen. 1:28) Instead, he chose to overstep his God-ordained boundaries by eating the forbidden fruit. This gross misuse of free will resulted in millenniums of suffering and pain for Adam’s descendants. (Rom. 5:12) Knowing the consequences of Adam’s decision should move us to use our freedom responsibly and within the limits set by Jehovah.


      Was it free will when god allowed a more powerful spirit creation to tempt a very young in years and experience person, Eve. God tested with evil when he did not warn Abel that Cain had murderous thoughts towards him. How perfect were Adam and Eve if they sinned just months or a year after Eve’s creation? Who let the snake into the proverbial garden? God tested them with evil things.

      James 1:13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.

      9. What choice did Jehovah give his people, Israel, and how did the nation respond?

      9 The descendants of Adam and Eve inherited imperfection and death from their disobedient parents. However, they retained the right to exercise the gift of free will. This is evident in the way God dealt with the nation of Israel. Through his servant Moses, Jehovah gave the people the choice to accept or reject the privilege of becoming His special property. (Ex. 19:3-6) What was their response? They freely chose to carry out the conditions of becoming God’s name people and unanimously declared: “All that Jehovah has spoken, we are willing to do.” (Ex. 19:8) Sadly, in time the nation misused its freedom of choice and broke that promise. Let us heed this warning example and always treasure our gift of free will by continuing to stick close to Jehovah and obeying his righteous requirements.—1 Cor. 10:11.


      How often did Israel reject god after they said they would follow him? The first time just months after they said yes, by forming a golden calf and worshiping it.

      Did they freely choose, or were they afraid based on the destruction they saw god bring on the Egyptians? Why did the Jews get so many chances; because of the promise to Abraham that the Messiah would come through his descendants through Isaac. Once the Messiah came and the Jews rejected him, no more chances, most Jews killed and the temple destroyed and never rebuilt in 70 CE.

      Thus again free will per the WTS = “stick close to Jehovah (really to the WTS) and obeying his righteous requirements (as explained by the WTS)”

      10. What examples prove that it is possible for imperfect humans to use their free will in a way that honors God? (See opening picture.)

      10 In Hebrews chapter 11, we find the names of 16 servants of God who chose to use their free will within the limits set by Jehovah. As a result, they reaped rich blessings and a sure hope for the future. For example, Noah showed great faith and chose to obey God’s instructions to build an ark for the preservation of his own family and future generations of humankind. (Heb. 11:7) Abraham and Sarah willingly followed God’s leadings to a land of promise. Even after they embarked on this long journey, they had the “opportunity to return” to the prosperous city of Ur. However, they kept their eyes of faith focused on the future “fulfillment of [God’s] promises”; they were “reaching out for a better place.” (Heb. 11:8, 13, 15, 16) Moses turned his back on the treasures of Egypt, “choosing to be mistreated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin.” (Heb. 11:24-26) May we imitate the faith of such ancient ones by treasuring our gift of free will and using it to do God’s will.


      Nice to include one woman, Sarah. They willingly followed for a promise of personal glory for them and their descendants. Moses, was he not rewarded, then only to have the chance to enter the Promised Land because of one sing?

      11. (a) What is one of the great blessings of free will? (b) What motivates you to use your free will properly?

      11 While it might seem easier to have someone else make decisions for us, doing so would rob us of one of the great blessings of free will. That blessing is revealed at Deuteronomy 30:19, 20. (Read.) Verse 19 describes the choice that God gave to the Israelites. In verse 20 we learn that Jehovah gave them the precious opportunity to show him what was in their hearts. We too can choose to worship Jehovah. We could have no greater motive than to use God’s gift of free will to express our love for him and to bring him honor and glory!


      Once again, do most jws look to others in the organization to make their decisions for them worried they cannot guess what is right this week?


      12. What must we never do with our gift of free will?

      12 Imagine that you gave a valuable gift to a friend. How disappointed you would be if you learned that he had thrown your gift in the trash or, worse yet, that he had used it to injure someone! Now think of how Jehovah must feel as he watches so many people misuse their freedom to make choices in life even to the harm of others. Indeed, just as the Bible foretold, during “the last days” men would be “unthankful.” (2 Tim. 3:1, 2) May we never misuse this precious gift from Jehovah or take it for granted. How, though, can we avoid misusing our gift of free will?


      How often at the kingdom hall I saw jws use their god-given speech abilities to trash others even to the point of damaging their reputation.

      PROVERBS 12:18 Thoughtless speech is like the stabs of a sword…

      13. What is one way we can avoid misusing our Christian freedom?

      13 All of us have freedom of choice regarding associations, styles of dress and grooming, and entertainment. However, our freedom could become “a cover for doing wrong” if we chose to become slaves of our own fleshly desires or if we adopted the disgraceful fads and trends of the world. (Read 1 Peter 2:16.) Instead of using our freedom “as an opportunity to pursue fleshly desires,” we want to be determined to make choices that help us to heed the admonition: “Do all things for God’s glory.”—Gal. 5:13; 1 Cor. 10:31.


      Don’t worry, the WTS has many articles helping jws know what “associations, styles of dress and grooming and entertainment” are approved, what “disgraceful fads and trends of the world” are specifically to be avoided: beards, tight pants, tattoos and piercings, pink hair, how many ear piercings in each ear, tie style, shirt color, black or brown dress shoes, vibram soles or not, etc.

      14. What does trusting in Jehovah have to do with our use of free will?

      14 Another way to guard our gift of free will is to put our trust in Jehovah and let him guide us within the protective boundaries that he has set for us. He alone is ‘the One teaching us to benefit ourselves, the One guiding us in the way we should walk.’ (Isa. 48:17) We must humbly acknowledge the truthfulness of the inspired words: “Man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.” (Jer. 10:23) May we never fall into the trap of choosing to rely on our own understanding, as did Adam and the rebellious Israelites. Instead, may we “trust in Jehovah with all [our] heart.”—Prov. 3:5.


      “Trust in Jehovah (the GB/WTS god’s representative on earth) and let him (GB/WTS) guide us with the protective boundaries (the WT organization)”

      “He alone (GB/WTS)….the One (GB/WTS)

      The GB/WTS is there to direct people’s steps, to rely on the GB/WTS understanding


      15. What do we learn from the principle found at Galatians 6:5?

      15 One of the limitations on our freedom is that we must respect the right that others have to make their own decisions in life. Why? Since we all have the gift of free will, no two Christians will always make exactly the same decision. This is true even in matters that involve our conduct and worship. Remember the principle found at Galatians 6:5. (Read.) When we recognize that each Christian must “carry his own load,” we will respect the right that others have to use their own gift of free will.

      We can make personal decisions without imposing our conscience on others (See paragraph 15)


      Looking at the picture of the party where some jws turn down the offer to drink wine. But if they others do? Will this couple allow them to drink moderate amounts or insist that no one drink? Note that it is not their house and the man with the wine did not bring it to their house as a gift. It is perfectly all right to turn down the wine, the woman could have just found out she is pregnant, the man could be the one driving or has had a past problem with alcohol. Good reasons for them to refuse. But to have a personal opinion that no Christian should drink alcohol and then leave the party and call the elders and complain, who then will encourage you to support this couple’s opinion so they will not be stumbled…………

      16, 17. (a) How did freedom of choice become an issue in Corinth? (b) How did Paul resolve matters, and what does this teach us about the rights of others?

      16 Consider a Bible example that illustrates why we must respect our brothers’ freedom to make their own decisions in matters of conscience. Christians in Corinth became divided over the matter of eating meat that may have been offered to idols but was thereafter sold in a meat market. Some reasoned: ‘Since an idol is nothing, the meat can be eaten in good conscience.’ However, others who formerly worshipped those idols felt that eating the meat would be an act of worship. (1 Cor. 8:4, 7) This was a sensitive issue, one that threatened to cause divisions in the congregation. How did Paul help the Christians in Corinth to gain God’s view of the matter?


      So who has to give in, the “strong” ones or the “weak” ones, who will be “stumbled”?

      Who would be accused of “causing divisions”?

      17 First, Paul reminded both sides that food would not bring them nearer to God. (1 Cor. 8:8) Next, he warned them not to allow their “right to choose” to become “a stumbling block to those who [were] weak.” (1 Cor. 8:9) Later, he instructed those with a more sensitive conscience not to judge those who chose to eat such meat. (1 Cor. 10:25, 29, 30) Hence, in this important matter related to worship, each Christian needed to make a conscientious decision. Therefore, should we not also respect our brother’s right to make personal decisions in matters of lesser importance?—1 Cor. 10:32, 33.


      So shouldn’t the WTS stay out of matters of lesser importance such as beards?

      18. How will you show that you treasure your gift of free will?

      18 Jehovah has given us the gift of free will and with it true freedom. (2 Cor. 3:17) We treasure this gift because it allows us to make decisions that reveal to Jehovah how much we love him. May we continue to show our appreciation for this precious gift by using it in a way that honors God and by respecting the way that others choose to use their gift.


      Yes, so jws can show how much the love god by obeying his earthly representatives on earth in all things.

      "All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20


      I do believe that the WTS has surpassed the Jews adding to the scriptures. Even if they err and you see the error, you must obey. Where is free will there? “You must comply.”

      So the message to jws is, you have free will but you are not using it appropriately.

      Love, Blondie

  • xjwsrock

    Thanks Blondie. They continue to exploit the uneducated. I think the point of this article is to convince mentally imprisoned cult members that they're actually free. Laughable insanity.

    "You're not enslaved cult members doing the bidding of a sleazy corporation corrupted by power and money..... no no .... you are beautiful creatures of free will that have sacrificed that freedom to serve God."

    Pretty simple scam really. Get people to do what you want by telling them God wants them to to it. Oh and God put them in charge of telling people what he wants of course. Lol.

    It would be funny if it wasn't such criminal con-artistry.

  • NotNew
    Make our own intelligent choices? Only from information from the bible; but ordinary jws are told they cannot understand the bible without help from the GB and WTS publications, how is that free will


    That sounds like forced free will!

    If using my "free will" means you kill me for not agreeing with you...don't you dare tell me I still had the freedom of free will.

    If I had equal power and could not have my life taken or ruined, then I would have free will to make any decision I felt was right for me!


  • BluesBrother

    Para. One says to be brave enough to make own decisions.... to use the gift of free will. Just make sure that you do what the WT says!

    A contradiction if ever I saw one..........

  • waton

    Free choice without dire consequences is limited in nature by it's laws. Free choice in wt land with it's "kingdom government" and laws is limited by obedience too. Defy the laws? courageously?

    thank you blondie, for wading through that morass first.

  • All or nothing
    All or nothing

    I used my free will today to not attend the cult indoctrination session at the cold unloving building of hypocrital drones and associate here on this board lol

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  • waton

    par 3; Jehovah does not have absolute free will anymore, not after he imposed the limitation that "he can not lie" on himself in the adhering to the 2 witness rule in the bible, and

    he has never demonstrated believably that he can violate the laws of nature in "miracles" not just stories.

    Par. 8: Adam not satisfied with his lot? au contraire, he , in his rush to stay with Eve missed the opportunity to start over again.

    Free will is never free, if the other choice is oblivion.

    wt just wants us all to be fully responsible for sticking with warwick. it is our fault if we believed the talking snake follow-up story. ha ha.

  • LostGeneration

    I think I'd literally shoot myself in the head if I had to sit through a WT discussion on how I should use my free will.

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