Sample Disassociation Letters

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  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    What do you think of the following sample disassociation letter from 4jehovah.org ?

    IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO DISASSOCIATE FROM JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES, HERE IS A SAMPLE LETTER YOU CAN MODIFY FOR YOUR USE:

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    I have decided to disassociate myself from the ____________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witness. I have serious questions about foundational teachings of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, which to this time still remain unanswered by any Jehovah’s Witness, including any elders, but I have no problem with the ____________ Congregation. My only disagreement is with certain actions, policies, teachings, and writings contained in publications produced, and oral teachings promulgated either individually or collectively by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and its legal corporations, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc., and the International Bible Students Association.

    This is also to notify the _____________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses that you, nor the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, including its over 100 other associated business corporations, have any authority over me whatsoever. This is also official notice to you, to discontinue any and all stalking activities against me and to never come to my home again, uninvited, especially when _____________ is not at home.

    If you decide to take any judicial action against me, there are certain things of which I must be notified, and which must be clarified, before I would agree to meet with any judicial committee. These items are as follows:

    1. I shall be notified in writing of the time, place, and purpose of any meetings with a judicial committee.
    2. I shall be notified in writing exactly on whose behalf the judicial committee was convened and is acting; the ____________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, or its legal corporations, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, the International Bible Students, or any agency not here named.
    3. If any other agency, other than the one for whom the judicial committee has informed me they are acting for, is consulted, reported to, or allowed to have any bearing on the outcome of the judicial process, I will consider the judicial committee as acting in their behalf.
    4. I shall be notified in writing of any accusations against me; the names of persons making such accusations, and the substance of any evidence against me.
    5. I shall be notified in writing of any and all of my rights and responsibilities involved in the judicial process.
    6. I shall be given sufficient time between notification of any meetings with a judicial committee and the time of the actual meeting to prepare a response to any accusations.
    7. I shall be allowed to have one person of my choice present during all meetings between me and the judicial committee, as an observer.
    8. During the meetings with the judicial committee, I, and or my observer, will take whatever notes we feel are necessary.
    9. I will not recognize any action taken by the judicial committee as valid unless it is communicated to me in writing, stating the exact nature and reason for the action.
    10. If the judicial committee is acting only for the _________________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, it is enjoined from notifying any agency outside the congregation of their action. If the judicial committee or anyone acting in their behalf notifies or reports to anyone outside the Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I may take appropriate legal action.
    11. I may appeal any action taken by the judicial committee.
    12. Before I will meet with a judicial committee or an appeal committee, you must notify me in writing of the names of all of the members of the judicial committee or appeal committee, and who each one represents.
    13. There shall be no contact between the judicial committee and the appeal committee other than to inform them of the time and place of my meetings with them. If I determine that there is any contact, communication, or attempt on the part of any of the members of the judicial committee or anyone acting on their behalf to, in any way prejudice or sway the appeal committee, I will insist that a new appeal committee be formed.
    14. I shall be notified in writing of any and all of my rights and responsibilities involved in the appeal process.
    15. I shall be allowed to have one person of my choice present during all meetings between me and the appeal committee.
    1. During the meetings with the appeal committee, I, or my observer will take whatever notes we feel are necessary.
    2. I will not recognize any action taken by the appeal committee as valid unless it is communicated to me in writing, stating the exact nature and reason for the action.
    3. In this written communication the appeal committee must state exactly on whose behalf they are taking the action.
    4. Whoever the appeal committee has stated that it is acting for, it is enjoined from notifying any other agency. If the appeal committee, or anyone acting in their behalf notifies or reports to anyone outside the exact agency that they represent, I may take appropriate legal action.
    5. I understand that if I am disfellowshipped by the judicial committee and the disfellowshipping is upheld by the appeal committee, that I am, at that point, no longer considered by such committee or appeal committee to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I also know such agencies may consider making a public announcement of their action. Any statements, even implied, in such announcement may be considered liable, and subject to appropriate legal action. Any mention by speeches, or talks, or teachings to convince, coerce by implied or actual threat of similar judicial action; or to encourage by private counsel or suggestion any of Jehovah’s Witnesses to treat me differently from any other person that is not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, to be a serious violation of my civil rights and I may initiate any legal action, civil or criminal that I deem appropriate. This includes any attempt to convince by speeches, talks, or teaching, to coerce by implied or actual threat of similar judicial action; or to encourage by private counsel or suggestion any present Jehovah’s Witnesses to shun or avoid me, cease or otherwise modify their doing business with me, or terminate or otherwise abrogate any lease, rental, mortgage, or any other legal agreement that I may presently have with them, I may consider such to be an infringement of free trade, and may initiate appropriate legal action.
    1. I consider any communication between the members of the judicial committee and myself and the appeal committee and myself to be ecclesiastically privileged. Any attempt to reveal the substance or tone of those communications to any other person or group will be considered by me to be a breach of that privilege, and may result in legal action. This includes any announcements beyond the fact of disfellowshipping; speeches, talks, or any other communication, written or oral, public or private.

    As a final warning, I will hold as personally and financially liable, any elder, body of elders, or individuals taking any action of any kind against me, including slander. Any action by any committee will be considered the action of all appointed elders in the congregation.

    The local elders need to be aware that the Watchtower Society is both unwilling and unable to shield the actions of elders from both criminal and civil prosecution. Instead, historically, the Watchtower Society uses extensive legal maneuvering to shield itself from any liability. They leave the elders “holding the bag.”

    Respectfully and Sincerely,

  • Ding
    Ding

    I would expect elders to read only the first sentence, the writer's name, and the first hint of or direct reference to potential legal action. They'll forward it immediately to WT lawyers and await instructions.

  • Overrated
    Overrated

    Wow! Nice letter! My letter just told them to F@#k OFF! And to hell with your shunning crap!

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    @Ding: You are probably right about that.

    @Overrated: Short and to the point! And the elders probably read every word of yours.

    My question about the sample letter is this: If one informs the elders that they have disassociated themselves, why would the elders even bother to assemble a judicial committee? Wouldn't they just announce to the congregation that so-and-so no longer is a Jehovah's Witness?

  • Longlivetherenegades
    Longlivetherenegades

    That's correct @ Vanderhoven7. It's a straight announcement. No need of a judicial committee. One or two persons might be sent to meet with the person to guage how strong his determination to disassociate his or possible cause.

    It's also good to use their own very procedure to disassociate and when they come to seek clarification, tell them to their very face that, what is the procedure for if they do not want members to leave the organization

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    I don't think it bears any legal weight though. From the first sentence where you disassociated yourself, their internal rules no longer apply to you and you no longer have any say in their internal rules. The stuff about the rules of engagement are thus moot.

    Do note that in most English Common Law countries, you can sue an organization for breaking its own rules in a court of law as long as you are a member of that organization. Typically these are financial and leadership disputes among their boards and the members, but it is possible to bring any type of suit. The problem is its cost and it is thus easier to just start your own organization.

    You can sue for slander, hence why they no longer announce WHY you were disfellowshipped from the platform.

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    Vanderhoven7, I am glad you posted that document. I thought of posting it more than a week ago but I never got around to doing so. But, your post of the letter has a serious omission of one word (you probably unconsciously made the omission or maybe you had a different source for it).

    Part of that document is interesting to me, because the letter doesn't actually claim the person is disassociating from the local congregation nor to claiming to be no longer being one of Jehovah's Witnesses. [Note that instead of the wording of your transcription of the letter, at https://www.4jehovah.org/sample-disassociation-letter/ the letter begins by saying "I have decided not to disassociate myself from the ____________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witness." Note it says the word "not".] Instead it says the person disagrees "... with certain actions, policies, teachings, and writings contained in publications produced, and oral teachings promulgated either individually or collectively by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and its legal corporations, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc., and the International Bible Students Association." But in saying the latter the elders would judge the person as being an apostate and probably subject to being disfellowshipped for such instead of being disassociated. If that is the case the letter probably would not work in preventing the person as being announced as "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses". But it is interesting the letter makes a distinction between disassociating from the local congregation and disagreeing with the WT on some particulars, since it specifically says "I have decided not to disassociate myself from the ____________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witness." The word "Witness" should be replaced with the word "Witnesses".

    The letter is also very significant since it says "This is also to notify the _____________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses that you, nor the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, including its over 100 other associated business corporations, have any authority over me whatsoever." That is important because the WT's handbook for the elders says that if the JW/ex-JW does not recognize the elders as having authority over the person and if the person no longer identifies as a JW the elders have permission to not take action on the person. In the letter, for clarity it would probably be good for "... that you, nor the Watchtower ..." to instead say "... that neither you, nor the Watchtower ...".

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    Anony Mous, the letter as stated at https://www.4jehovah.org/sample-disassociation-letter/, instead of as posted by Vanderhoven, specifically says the person is NOT disassociating from the congregation. On that site it says "I have decided not to disassociate myself from the ____________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witness." The letter is thus using the WT's own rules to try protect the JW/ex-JW from being removed from the congregation while at the same time going on record as disagreeing "... with certain actions, policies, teachings, and writings ..." of the incorporated entities of the headquarters of the religion as well as its Governing Body.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    I can’t see this producing more than a good laugh among the elders . The WT know they are on safe legal ground.. Better to just say “ I no longer wish to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses “ They will announce that, and job done.

    Nothing will stop your old friends avoiding you if they think you have “ left Jehovah “

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    But something might stop ones JW family from avoiding people (living outside of JW households) who choose to distance them selves from certain teachings and practices of the WT religion. It would be interesting to find out what has happened with those associated with the 4jehovah.org site who have used some version of their letter.

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