Just a quick summary in case we have an audience...
The question I was originally responding to was: "Would we try to make sure that a JW relative in an emergency situation could get blood even though we knew they were against it." Some said yes, some said no; most said yes if it were a minor. I said yes that I would if I could under many conditions, for all of my JW relatives, both minors and adults. I was only speaking for myself, but some of my reasons made it easy to disagree. I think my reasons that got to you the most were:
I currently don't know anything about future life, spirit, or resurrection, so I couldn't base a decision on that. Any decision I would make has to based on how sure I am that I'm actually saving their life
and then the infamous:
My moral or ethical decision to help someone is based on my beliefs, not theirs. Why should I care if my good deeds will be punished or if they will be rewarded?
Because I admitted to knowing nothing about future life, spirit or resurrection you said my ambivalence should keep me from saving their life against their will. My answer is maybe it should, but I would still do it, right or wrong, moral or immoral, for my own reasons, selfish as they may be. (and without ambivalence, in my opinion.) My own code of ethics cannot be explained or codified for someone else. It's based as I said on a lot of factors including principles I still appreciate from Christianity, my own knowledge, conscience and common sense. I would hope that, at the time, my decision would be based on my faith in the righteousness or morality of whatever was motivating me. For the particular situation in question I said:
Although I don't believe the Bible is inspired, I believe we can still effectively follow Christian ideas as a guide (except where common sense, pyschology and science supersedes). But in this case, there would be no conflict. Jesus said, "If a sheep falls into the pit, wouldn't you try to save it -even on the Sabbath?" The very fact that Jesus said Christians SHOULD BREAK THE LAW when a life is endangered should have been enough for JWs never to have forbidden transfusions in the first place.
I didn't want to just repeat the details of the other thread, because we all had our own ways of dealing with the specifics of when we would and wouldn't actually try to "force" something physically against the will of another, or how we would know for sure that we were really talking about a true life-or-death situation.
You questioned especially the idea that: My moral or ethical decision to help someone is based on my beliefs, not theirs. To that I can only say that this is how it must work practically in any emergency situation. I can't ask them: "By the way, are you wavering a little bit in your faith in the WTS' stance on blood? Or, Did I get called instead of Brother Hospital-Liaison-Elder because you thought there was a slight chance I might allow them to use blood to save your life? I can't ask them if they might thank me some day in the future when 15 years from now the WTS drops the blood issue altogether."
Also, as I explained in the other thread I was speaking more generally of all emergency situations. The Samaritan doesn't ask about "their beliefs" before giving medical attention to the Jew on the side of the road. The fireman who pulls the woman out of a burning car or house doesn't care that she is screaming for them to let her die with her children inside. We don't choose to save lives of Christians over Muslims in an emergency, do we?
Most people admitted that they would over-ride the Blood Card of a minor if they could -- or even that of a "wavering" JW adult, as you said you would. Why? Because we haughtily believe we have better knowledge than the minor. As I said before if my motive for helping the child was out of love, and that is the ethic I wish to live by, then why wouldn't I do the same thing (if I could) for an adult relative? I shouldn't have to feel guilty just because I "knew" (had knowledge) that I was right. It may sound haughty, but I know where their belief came from, and I know that among JWs, even the adults, accept the Watchtower beliefs as innocent children. I can't generalize this stance for most any other medical treatment, but for the situation we hypothesized, I hope that I would save them, in spite of legal or personal consequences I may have to face for my faith.
I know we ended up getting at least this far in the other thread, but here we have a chance, if you wish, to question the morality of our stance(s) in a more general way.