retrospect on yesterday's wt "study" 29. 

by waton 16 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • BluesBrother

    Song 60

    1. 1. In this year of goodwill

      by our God, all need to hear

      That the day of his anger

      will come, and it is near.


      It means their life, but not just theirs;

      It means our own life as well.

      It means their life if they obey,

      So all the nations we must tell;

      We must tell.”

      cheerful little number?

  • iwantoutnow

    nowwhat? - Dude Anal is the best! Give her a break:)

  • blondie

    nowwhat, just a sidepoint I keep in mind to ask elders humbly for an answer to the seeming deception.

    Goes with the fact that the phrase "governing body" never appears even in the RNWT in Acts 15, but most jws will tell you it does until you show that chapter to them.

    Anal, perhaps, but then elders and jws in general tend to be anal and this point is primarily for them. I did not mean to offend by sharing this.

    Next time, I will start another thread.

  • blondie

    waton, thanks for sharing that sidepoint. I forgot that change:

    But consider the special reference to Israel’s 12 tribes that is found at Matthew 19:28.

    Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

    2 Jesus said: “In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” In this verse, “the twelve tribes of Israel” are those who will be judged by Jesus’ anointed disciples and who are in line to receive eternal life in Paradise on earth. They will benefit from the priestly services of the 144,000.
  • OneGenTwoGroups

    IF twelve tribes of Israel = rest of mankind

    does that mean that

    judge = give back rub ???

    Words in "holy" books, absolutely useless

  • blondie

    I can't speak to the thinking of the WTS for making this one time application of the 12 tribes being non-anointed people. But note the buzz word "evidently" which the WTS uses to leave an opening for changing this statement later on in their publications. (Matthew 19:28, see also Luke 22:30) If you can figure out this out-of-both-sides of their mouths teaching, let me know.

    But I did find this in 2008 (before 2011 quote in my post above)

    19:28—What is represented by “the twelve tribes of Israel” that will be judged? They do not represent the 12 tribes of spiritual Israel. (Gal. 6:16; Rev. 7:4-8) The apostles to whom Jesus was speaking were going to be part of spiritual Israel, not judges of its members. Jesus made ‘a covenant with them for a kingdom,’ and they were to be ‘a kingdom and priests to God.’ (Luke 22:28-30; Rev. 5:10) Those of spiritual Israel are to “judge the world.” (1 Cor. 6:2) Hence, “the twelve tribes of Israel,” whom those on the heavenly thrones judge, evidently represent the world of mankind who are outside that royal, priestly class, as pictured by the 12 tribes on Atonement Day.​—Lev., chap. 16.

    Also in 1987, the WTS gave this very convoluted explanation that probably went over the heads of the jw readers.

    see also 2010

    and even in 1964 the concept that the 12 tribes here were not anointed Christians but those who would stay on earth.

    ---As far as I can tell, this is the only time the WTS makes an application identifying the "12 tribes of Israel" as not being those Christians going to heaven.

  • tiki

    This thread is as confusing as that religion! How happifying to be long gone and far away from it......except for my predilection for this site which I find fascinating to see how loony the whole thing has become.

    Those lyrics to that cult chant......seriously??? Ayiyiy!!!

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