What is Ibid?

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  • Belladonna75

    Hi all, I'm diving deep into historical JW literature research and I keep seeing IBID as a frequently cited source - what is this? I've tried the old google, but no luck.

    Does this stand for something (I'm probably missing something incredibly obvious) or have I spent too many hours reading 1930s The Golden Age magazines and depleted all my electrons already?

    (depending on how deep you've gone into the insanity that is the Watchtowers vintage Golden Age magazine, you may actually get my weird reference..)

  • konceptual99
  • Ding

    Ibid. is like the word ditto.

    It means the same source as the one right above it.

    It's an abbreviation of the Latin word ibidem, which means "in the same place."

    You may also run across op. cit.

    Op. cit. is used to direct your reader to a previously noted full citation located somewhere else (not immediately before it) in your work, like "R. Franz, op. cit., p. 221."

  • stillin

    Then there's "sic," which means "so." This is placed following a direct quote or copy of a written statement which may have grammatical or spelling errors. It's purpose is to distance oneself from those errors and let people know that the error is somebody alse's.

    Like, we quoted it just so.

  • Diogenesister

    It's as Ding says.

    By the way Its something most people learn at uni, so another practical disadvantage witnesses have due to Watchtower policy of no higher education.

  • darkspilver

    Belladonna75: I've tried the old google, but no luck.

    Diogenesister: By the way Its something most people learn at uni, so another practical disadvantage witnesses have due to Watchtower policy of no higher education.


    Google seems to work?... what was the problem you had with using it Belladonna75?


  • La Capra
    La Capra

    The Latin abbreviation ib id. or ibid., followed by a page number means that the source of the material is the same as the previous source but on a different page. It can also mean a previous source (but not the source immediately prior) and will be used with an accepted diminutive form of the cite, and the page number.

    Now, if the source is exactly the same as the previous citation, including same page, the writer would use id.

    Style and Form manuals are essential to have around for anyone who communicates to a professional audience in writing. No one reads an article or a legal brief that is properly cited and says, "geez-what a prick, everything is properly cited - OCD much?" However, if the citations are loose, incomplete, missing a year, volume number, or page number, you can bet that some of the readers in the know will start to discredit the message because of the laziness of the writer or the mistake of the writer.

    However, in the legal briefs and points and authorities I read regularly, the citations I see messed up all the time are ib id. and id.

  • Belladonna75

    I had a nagging suspicion it was something ridiculously obvious to everyone else.

    Some source lists cited the identical source back to back, and also used Ibid, so I assumed incorrectly it was a book title - and nope, I didn't learn about ibid in college. As least I don't recall, its been a few decades.

    So yes, the old Google works, except if you're exclusively searching for "Ibid Jehovah's Witness" expecting its a book or what not.


    :putting on the dunce cap:

    g'day sirs and thanks again.

  • vienne

    May I suggest https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ as a resource for your historical research?

  • Belladonna75

    Thanks Vienne - I will check it out!

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