The …everlasting enigma!

by MacHislopp 10 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    Still in the “ memorial season” and the usual puzzling question:

    “anointed “ or “ not anointed “ ???

    Just take a look at what, in mho, I do consider amazing ex.

    of this …enigma.

    1*** w88 3/1 p. 11 My Life in Jehovah’s Spirit-Directed Organization

    ( As told by Albert D. Schroeder)

    THE first Sunday in June 1934, Alex Jones and I were preaching from door to door in Jersey City, New Jersey. Suddenly, police officers rushed into the apartment house where we were, arrested us, shoved us roughly into a car, and took us off to jail!

    Three days later, a judge pronounced us guilty of peddling without a license and sentenced us to ten days in jail. We were taken to the Hudson County Prison, required to undress, go through a sterilizing bath, and put on prison clothes. Then we were marched to a cell.

    Here I had time to reflect. I was only 23 and was happy with my life as a full-time minister at Brooklyn Bethel.

    We began our pioneer service before we were baptized because at that time it was not clearly understood whether those with the earthly hope needed to be baptized or not. However, after I was baptized in Vandercook Lake, Michigan, July 24, 1932, it became evident that my hope had changed to that of an anointed one, which was confirmed by the ‘witness of the spirit.’—Romans 8:16.

    He understood quite “quickly” about his “ heavenly hope”

    2*** w88 9/1 p. 20 A Pioneer Partnership for Life ***

    In 1913, when I was 17, I traveled to London for a sight-seeing vacation. Happily, this coincided with a visit by Brother Russell to an assembly held at the Kingsway Hall. There I expressed my desire to be baptized. The colporteur sister who worked in Cardiff approached Brother Russell to ask him if he thought I was too young. He asked me how old I was and questioned me to see if I understood the Scriptures and to determine whether I had dedicated my life to Jehovah. As a result, I donned a long black gown and joined the other candidates for immersion at the London Tabernacle. I remember so well the words we sang as we came out of the water:

    “Buried with Christ

    and raised with him too,

    What is there left for me to do?

    Simply to cease from

    struggling and strife,

    Simply to walk in the newness of life.”

    Afterward, a brother approached me and said: “You must be the last one of the 144,000 to come in; you only have such a short time left to make your calling and election sure.” Such were the thoughts of many who viewed the approaching year, 1914, with great expectation. For me, though, this proved to be a time of testing as I put up with great opposition at home.

    This sister was only 17, and it was a brother who “informed “ her about the “election…”, just

    after her baptism! Notice that she makes no comments about the matter.

    3*** w89 4/1 p. 29 A Wonderful Career ***

    Two Personal Adjustments

    When I was baptized in 1930, there was little understanding regarding those who would have everlasting life on earth. So both John and I partook of the emblems at Memorial time, as did everyone then. Even in 1935, when the “great crowd” of Revelation chapter 7 was identified as an earthly class of “sheep,” our thinking was not altered. (Revelation 7:9; John 10:16) Then in 1952, The Watchtower on page 63 (°) published a clarification of the distinction between the earthly hope and the heavenly hope. We came to realize that we did not have the hope of heavenly life, but that our hope was of life on a paradise earth.—Isaiah 11:6-9; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 21:3, 4.

    This couple, needed more than 22 years to realize that eventually they had the “ hope of life on a paradise earth.”

    What about the …”closing time” for the …” heavenly call “ ???

    (°)*** w52 1/15 pp. 63-64 Questions from Readers ***

    How can one determine whether he is of the anointed class, and hence should partake of the Memorial emblems?—E. B., California.

    After Pentecost in the first century any who had the spirit of God, as evidenced by his having one or more gifts of the spirit, would have no difficulty deciding whether he was of the anointed class, for that was a time set aside exclusively for begetting heavenly heirs. On this firm foundation he would entertain heavenly hopes. Today the circumstances are altered. One may have dedicated himself to doing God’s will, symbolized that dedication, and demonstrated that he has the spirit of God by doing Jehovah’s will, doing it in the love of God and trying to imitate him and his dear Son; but how would he know that his having the spirit of God was assurance that he was going to heaven? The spirit of God is also on the “other sheep”, and not just on the anointed remnant. So how can we determine the matter today?

    It seems from the Scriptures that God was specially taking out the spiritual class up until 1931 , in a general way, and this does have some bearing on the matter. However, it is not conclusive. Since 1931 there are those who have entered the service and who give evidence of being begotten by the spirit and who have their hopes set upon being of the heavenly heirs. So there is evidence of some coming into the heavenly class since 1931; though not on a general scale, but only individuals here and there who are taken in to fill up the places of some who may turn unfaithful.”

    So, it seems that after you have inspected the matter of time, the possession of God’s spirit, his dealings with you, then you have to take into consideration, “What are my real, sincere, heartfelt hopes in this matter?” Then you decide your position; no one else can decide for you. Decide whether you have the consuming spiritual aspirations. If so, then follow through with those. That is in your system and you cannot get it out, so act accordingly. Participate in the Memorial emblems. Whereas, if you do not have that hope, if you are divided and uncertain, then it appears that you are of the earthly class, and hence should not partake of the emblems at Memorial time.

    (°°) w91 3/15 p. 19 Who Really Have a Heavenly Calling? ***

    But what has happened in recent times? Since 1931 the Kingdom message has focused more attention on the “other sheep,” and from 1935 onward God has been drawing “a great crowd” of such sheeplike ones to himself through Christ. (John 10:16; Revelation 7:9)

    (°°°)*** w96 8/15 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

    Questions From Readers

    The reports for some years show that the number partaking of the Memorial emblems increased slightly. Does this suggest that many new ones are being anointed with holy spirit?

    There is good reason to believe that the number of 144,000 anointed Christians was complete decades ago.

    .But it seems that in the mid-1930’s, the full number of the 144,000 was basically completed. Thus there began to appear a group of loyal Christians with the earthly hope. Jesus termed such “other sheep,” who unite in worship with the anointed as one approved flock.—John 10:14-16.

    (°°°) w99 2/1 Our Treasure in Earthen Vessels ***

    Box on page 19]

    “No More Additions!”

    At a Gilead graduation in 1970, Frederick Franz, then vice-president of the Watch Tower Society, told the students of the possibility that they, who were all of the other sheep with earthly hopes, might baptize someone who might claim to be of the anointed remnant. Could this happen? Well, he explained that John the Baptist was of the other sheep, and he baptized Jesus and some of the apostles. Then he went on to ask whether there still was a call for gathering in more of the remnant. “No, no more additions!” he said. “That call ended way back there in 1931-35! There are no more additions. Who, then, are the few newly associated ones who are partaking of the Memorial emblems? If they are of the remnant, they are replacements! They are, not additions to the ranks of the anointed, but replacements for those who may have fallen away.”

    (°°°°) w02 2/1 page 20 § 6 :

    “ This “heavenly calling “ began at Pentecost 33 C.E. and, in the main, appears

    to have ended in the mid-1930’s (Hebrews 3:1) .”

    Please do notice also : ” appears “ … “it seems “…!

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Excellent research, JC!

    It shows two problems -- (1) an emphasis on dates (in this case a cutoff date, which changed from 1914 to the 1931-1935 timeframe), and (2) the undue importance placed on class distinctions -- being "elect" or not makes a big difference, and of course the Society's insistence on counting who are in each class is now biting them in the hindquarters since both classes are growing. Something is wrong with their prophecy (that the numbers of "anointed" classpeople would steadily decline until the great tribulation), but they are more apt to blame the people who respond to their dogma then they are to blame the dogma itself.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Thanks for that, Mac.

    It's at times like this that I miss Bruce and his theories about the 144,000 being mere replacements for fallen angels. He might have had some strange ideas, but he was a real gentleman.

    Englishman.

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Gopher and Englishman,

    thanks for your comments and appreciative remarks.

    The all thing it's really...cloudy and I'm sure that many

    will find it rather confusing and opened to a variety

    of options .

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • greven
    greven
    It seems from the Scriptures that God was specially taking out the spiritual class up until 1931

    yet no scriptures are provided!

    Greven

  • Francois
    Francois

    Don't forget the other weasel phrase "in the main," which really loads up that statement with dishonesty.

    francois

  • gumby
    gumby

    We came to realize that we did not have the hope of heavenly life, but that our hope was of life on a paradise earth.— Isaiah 11:6-9; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 21:3, 4.

    No they didn't.....Rutherford came to realize it for them........just like he realized everything and expected others to REALIZE it with him.

    He was a no good piece of poop alcoholic.....period!

    Gumby

  • observador
    observador

    Very good reasearch and post! Thanks for enlightening us.

    One of the things that is typical of Watchtower bla-bla-bla is this "it seems", "it appears", "evidently", etc. The other thing that troubles me is that they can't even agree on that specific date. At one moment it was in 1935; in another moment it was in "mid-1930's"; in yet another it was in "1931-35". I presume that Jehovah would have informed them of the exact date, if any. If he didn't then what kind of "food" is that?

    What a scam!

    Thanks for sharing.

    Observador.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    I have a question:

    Is there not a newer GB member that was baptized well after 1935? If so, what are the implications?

  • gumby
    gumby
    Is there not a newer GB member that was baptized well after 1935? If so, what are the implications

    The implications are, they believe some can prove unfaithful and loose their spot and it will be filled by another.......usually one with MANY YEARS EXPERIANCE. If it was Samuel Heard your speaking of......he filled those shoes.

    Gumby

    Or was it 'Losech'....or something or other? Heck I don't remember.

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