simon-
heres another review for you, so you can get a feel for what everyone was really trying to say (which isnt "follow orders no matter what"!!.....one last repeat to make sure this time, lol)
teenyuck said:
Anyone who joins the military with the thought that they can pick and choose the battle they will attend needs an exam. Of their intelligence.
If they decide that they cannot be a part of a war they should be immediately discharged, forced to repay anything they received....
lb said:
No problem, be a coward if ya want. But maybe be willing to pay the government back all the wages you've earned along with the cost of your training.
sara annie said:
Absolutely. You cannot reap the benefit of a system that you willingly entered into service with.
heathen said:
I think if you volunteer for military service and refuse to follow orders you should be shot . I think the wrong thing they did in america was to make the military look like it is something for people to expect to simply go thru the motions and get money for colledge instead of being the killing machine it is.
(note: maybe this is where you went off on your tangent, as heathen did say someone should be "shot" for not "following orders"....still didnt say that
every order should be followed, but perhaps thats how you took it, and then ran with it. i still took heathens post as i took the rest of them, to mean that someone shouldnt expect a free ride and then refuse a tour of duty)
rem said:
Well, it does seem to be a breach of contract. If you default on the loan on your car or house, the bank gets to keep it - they don't have to give you back the money you already paid. So basically the answer is: yes, the fact that they pick and choose what they feel is moral invalidates all their previous service.
Nobody says it's an easy thing to stand up for your beliefs, but it's something an intelligent person would have thought about before signing up.
xenawarrior said:
I don't think that people can join the military service and say- "Well, if you go to war here- I'm in but if you go over here, um, I don't think I can do that one. And I might even change my mind about any of this"
If you sign up for military service you sign up. And it is about following orders- pretty clear to anyone. If you sign up and go through basic training etc and then decide it's not for you, there are plenty of ways to get out.
(note: another post referring to "following orders", but still doesnt say
every order should be followed)
acutally, at this point, xander realized someone was talking about "following orders", and chimed in with:
Ah, so if the US President (and, say, Congress) then ordered, say, Gen. T Franks to, after the Iraq war, come home and execute or imprison all US citizens who voiced dissent with the war, he would be wrong to disobey?
here was the response:
If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their asses.
lol.......an extreme case scenario from xander, which got a sarcastic response, but xenawarrior showed, jokingly, that obviously not every order should be followed.
heathen said (and heathen was where the "should be shot" comment came from, so pay attention here):
IMO -- They have done every thing but mention summer camp . How about this -- The Navy ,it's not just a job it's an adventure. Army -- Be all you can be . Air force -- Aim high , and Marines -- A few good . People need to realize that when they admit themselves into the armed forces that they are being relied upon doing their job with out question. Tho I have heard that you are allowed to question orders if they are in contrast to the military code conduct.
rem said:
I never said I had a problem with someone refusing to engage in genocide or war crimes. If the US government ever gets to that point, I think haggling over past wages is the least of anyones worries!
so, theres the first couple of pages of review, and these are the posters to which you would
have to be referring to when you say, "peolpe claim that soldiers should follow orders and obey what they are told
no matter what."
hopefully this helps.
aa
