Why the left is failing

by jelly 19 Replies latest social current

  • jelly
    jelly

    Moderate


    I define a moderate as someone that occasionally disagrees with their party of affiliation and will (and have) crossed party lines to vote. In short, someone that does not always vote for one party, will criticize their party for errors and occasionally agree with the other side. And by that definition I consider myself a moderate, just so you know my personl bias.


    The reason the Democratic Party failed so miserably in the last election and will probably in the next is multifaceted.

    1. First, they are offering nothing except criticism. Its fine to criticize Bush’s tax cut plan, I have issues with it myself. What have the Democrats offered to stimulate the economy? NOTHING!! We are in the middle of a two-year recession and the Democrats don’t even have an economic stimulus plan. Unforgivable. Name the issue Dems have no ideas just criticism.
      • Education - nothing except more money (not the best solution)
      • War on Terror - Splintered from hawks to appeasers
      • Economy - no plan (this will kill them)
    2. Second, they are being seen as obstructionist for no reason. Case in point is the Latino judge that they are filibustering. They are asking him question that no judge before has been asked, impartial treatment like that will not be forgotten by the electorate.
    3. Third, both parties have extreme elements. The Democrats are not controlling their extreme elements they are instead being controlled by them. Too many extremely left Democrats are anti-military, blame America, and blame Jews types that are getting to much airtime creating an image for the entire party that will be a death sentence in the next election.
      • The crazy Dem from Washington the talked about the wonderful things Osama did for Arabs.
      • The crazy Dem from the midwest that compared Alquada to American reveloutionary fighters
      • The crazy Dem from the east coast that blamed the Jews
      • Al Gores switch from a Hawk to a dove, completly contradicting himself
      • Clinton's comments
      • Carter's comments

    Personally I dont see this as a good thing, I think the Dems are doing permanant damage to themselves
    Terry

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    Just as the Republicans would do well to distance themselves from the Extreme Christian right, The Democrats would also do well to distance themselves from the Liberal Socialists. I feel most Americans are more moderate, with leanings one way or the other, but really don't care much for either the extreme right or left.

    I was raised in the Solid Democratic South, but was forced to abandon my Democratic roots due to extreme liberal socialism. But, the Dems blocking the appointment of the very first Hispanic D.C. District Court nominee, Miguel Estrada, will hurt them badly with the Hispanic community, once one of their greatest supporters.

  • jelly
    jelly

    I agree exactly with what you said Dakota. I don't think the Dems realize how many 'moderates' like myself they are alienating. If the get much stupider they might cease to exist as a viable party.

    Terry

  • Francois
    Francois

    The press has played its part in the alienation of the American electorate toward the democrat party. Finally, after forty years of misrepresentation, the electorate has finally realized what a biased load of twaddle the press has passed off as news - and I think they rightly resent being played for idiots. The electorate has in the end proven that it knew all along how the press slanted the news for the Leftists.

    The press also too loudly announced the "death of communism" as if it had never heard of China. And in the U.S., the extreme left and the outright communists haven't died, they're alive and well in places like the environmental movement, the peace movement, the women's movement, the anti-vivisection movement, the raw vegetable of the week movement, and in every other weird-assed microminority special interest group.

    Notice how nothing satisfies these groups? Take for instance the alternate energy bunch. At first, wind-generated electricity was fine and dandy. Now the windmill farms represent too big a danger to birds. It just never ends.

    Churchill said that the communist scheme was to support weak socialist governments, and as these proved incompetent and disintegrated, the communists should be ready to seize power from them and unilaterally establish the communist state. I think the press' loud proclamations about the death of the communist party is the best thing that has happened to the party in years - allows it to continue to operate in a very easy stealth mode.

    And if you don't think they use stealth, look closely at the U.K. and what the Fabians have accomplished there.

    Personally, I think the democrat party has gone past the pale and the indicator of that is the fillibuster of Estrada. Have they lost their minds?

    francois

  • OICU8it2
    OICU8it2

    Yeah, Jelly, I feel the same. Having been a neutral critic for decades, I now voice my opinions. Dems seem to have lost relevancy. To illustrate how far this has gone: most of the voters at my place of employment went rep. the last 2 elections EVEN THOUGH IT IS A CLOSED UNION SHOP. Even the union pres said off record he couldn't vote dem. in good conscience. When dems see their power bases start to slide that oughta tell 'em something. We can't stand liberal rhetoric and its so easy to see thru 'em.

  • Simon
    Simon
    The reason the Democratic Party failed so miserably in the last election

    Erm ... did I imagin the whole "let's count them again" shambles with the votes? I believe that Gore got more votes than Bush but he got in thanks to Cousin Jed's results. Whatever the reason, it was a close run thing and hardly "failed miserably". Hardly a massive endorsement for Bush

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed
    Erm ... did I imagin the whole "let's count them again" shambles with the votes? I believe that Gore got more votes than Bush but he got in thanks to Cousin Jed's results. Whatever the reason, it was a close run thing and hardly "failed miserably". Hardly a massive endorsement for Bush

    Bush Really Did Win

    Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2001

    After months of huffing and puffing and spending a million bucks or so, a consortium of America's leading liberal news-slanting organizations have been forced to admit that George W. Bush really is the legitimate president of the United States. President Bush, it turns out, did indeed win the 2000 election in Florida.

    That's what they were forced to admit after National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago examined all ballots that were initially rejected by voting machines. This included those that contained no discernible vote for president, known as "undervotes," and those that showed votes for more than one candidate, known as the "overvotes."

    The (illegal) overvotes that could have provided the winning margin for Al Gore, the Post informs us, were on ballots where voters allegedly sought to be "extra clear" by filling in the oval next to a candidate and then also filling in the oval for "write-in" by writing the same candidate's name again. Automatically this legally nullified their votes.

    NORC was hired by a consortium that included the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Associated Press, CNN, the Los Angeles Times, the Wall Street Journal and four Florida newspapers: the Orlando Sentinel, the Palm Beach Post, the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel and the St. Petersburg Times. Of all these, only the Journal is known as a conservative voice.

    One imagines that the hoped-for result would show Gore the real winner in Florida and, therefore, the victor in the presidential election, and that he had been shamefully deprived of his victory by the Bush forces, including Gov. Jeb Bush, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris and the U.S. Supreme Court.

    One further imagines the consternation around the editorial offices of the consortium's members when the study revealed … gasp … that "George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward," as the New York Times conceded Monday.

    According to the study:

    • If Florida's 67 counties had gone ahead with the hand recount of disputed ballots the Florida Supreme Court ordered Dec. 8, using the standards that election officials said they would have used, Bush would have won by 493 votes. Such a recount began the next day, but was stopped that afternoon when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that a recount using a variety of standards threatened "irreparable harm" to Bush.
    • Bush would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had not stepped in.
    • There was no reason to count the clearly invalid votes of elderly Democrats in Palm Beach County who claimed after the election that, despite having been given sample ballots before the election, they were so confused by the Democrat-designed "butterfly ballot" that they might have voted for more than one candidate.
    • Where Gore had the greatest opportunity to pick up votes was not in those undervote ballots his forces focused on, but in the approximately 114,000 (illegal) overvote ballots, particularly 25,000 overvote ballots read by optical scanning machines. Overvote ballots were those having votes for more than one presidential candidate – a no-no in any state for any election.

    Reporting such results must have been painful around the Washington Post. It had to lead its story about the NORC study by proclaiming, "In all likelihood, George W. Bush still would have won Florida and the presidency last year if either of two limited recounts – one requested by Al Gore, the other ordered by the Florida Supreme Court – had been completed, according to a study commissioned by The Washington Post and other news organizations."

    But wait – that's not the whole story, the Post informed its readers. "An examination of uncounted ballots throughout Florida found enough where voter intent was clear to give Gore the narrowest of margins," the Post added.

    It did not tell us what methods were employed to allow the bean counters to determine "voter intent" of those unable to follow simple instructions.

    According to the Times, an examination of a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, suggested that "Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots."

    But, the Times added, to get to that result "assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to 'count all the votes.'"

    Again, eking out that elusive victory would have required that the votes be counted in the rather peculiar way the Gore forces demanded they be counted.

    The Times and the Post admitted that the results show that even if Gore had been able to force recounts of undervotes in four Democrat-ruled counties – Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Volusia – he still would have lost, although by 225 votes rather than 537.

    For Gore to have won by the narrowest of margins, invalid votes would have to have been counted.

    The bottom line, here, is conclusive: Bush won. Gore lost. Get over it.

    As Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer put it: "The voters settled this election last fall, and the nation moved on a long time ago. The White House isn't focused on this; the voters aren't focused on it." The results, Fleischer added, were "superfluous."

    Finally, one has to wonder if this patriotic consortium – which, in the words of the Post, wanted "to provide a historical record for one of the most remarkable presidential elections in U.S. history" – would have spent a million bucks and about 10 months combing over the election results if it had been Gore who had won by 537 votes and it was the Bush forces who were complaining the presidency had been stolen from them.

    Get "At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election."

    http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/11/12/120247.shtml

  • Shutterbug
    Shutterbug

    Simon, I don't believe Bush ever said it was a massive endorsement. Here in the US the house and senate elections in an "off year" in which there is no presidental election usually yeilds gains for the opposition party, in this case the democrats. This past election year that didn't happen for the first time in my memory. Not a massive endorsement yet, but a step in the right direction.

    As far as the vote count is concerned, several newspapers, 3 or 4, cant remember, recounted the votes in the counties Mr Gore wanted them counted in, and Bush won all the recounts, and these were liberal leaning newspapers. Bug

  • Pleasuredome
    Pleasuredome

    simon

    Nooooo! you're not implying there may have been a coup in the american presidential election? you dont think 170,000 disallowed votes (mostly of black and hispanic voters) could have made a difference do you? a recount, that was to be carried out by the National Opinion and Research Council, commisioned by a media consortium, was postponed due to a "lack of resources and lack of interest" in the story after the events of 9/11, how convienent. (daily telegraph, oct 21st '01) A lack of interest in whether there's a legitimate president taking the country into an open ended war across the world? but then isnt the media there to suppress information that doesnt suit those in power? apparently in the late 90's a republican mayor of palm beach county, florida, was forced to resign because he had benifited from an absentee vote fraud organised by his supporters. 19,000 of the 170,000 disallowed votes were from palm beach. but i sure all this can be dismissed as conspiracy BS.

  • Xander
    Xander
    As Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer put it: "The voters settled this election last fall, and the nation moved on a long time ago. The White House isn't focused on this; the voters aren't focused on it." The results, Fleischer added, were "superfluous."

    Well, however it may be, I will be most pleased to NOT vote for him come the next elections, so it really doesn't matter much to me. As long as he doesn't get the entire world destroyed before then.

    Sadly, looking at the spread of polical parties this country fields, it is depressing to find that conservatism is run amuck. Which probably explains why the Dems and Repubs are both so conservative.

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