Brazen Conduct???

by Vanderhoven7 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Vanderhoven7

    How is Brazen Conduct defined by the elders?

    Do you know of any cases where it has been improperly used against the R&, like squeezing the toothpaste tube the wrong way is sometimes touted as mental cruelty?

  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    It was new when I dropped out so I missed the boat on that one. I heard of its implementation, but no, sorry. Seems to be a catch all. It works for any show of challenging the authority of the elders.

  • Anders Andersen
    Anders Andersen

    “brazen conduct” describes acts that reflect an attitude that betrays disrespect, disregard, or even contempt for divine standards, laws, and authority. Therefore, two elements are involved in brazen conduct: (1) The conduct itself is a serious violation of Jehovah’s laws, and (2) the attitude of the wrongdoer toward God’s laws is disrespectful, insolent.—w06

    Though this is not an exhaustive list, brazen conduct may be involved in the following if the wrongdoer has an insolent, contemptuous attitude made evident by a practice of these things:

    • Willful, continued, unnecessary association with disfellowshipped nonrelatives despite repeated counsel.—Matt. 18:17b; 1 Cor. 5:11, 13; 2 John 10, 11; w81 9/15 pp. 25-26. 60 “Shepherd the Flock of God”—1 Peter 5:2
    • Child sexual abuse: This would include fondling of breasts, an explicitly immoral proposal, showing pornography to a child, voyeurism, indecent exposure, and so forth.
    • Continuing to date or pursue a romantic relationship with a person though not legally or Scripturally free to marry, despite repeated counsel and generally after a warning talk to the congregation.—Gal.

    That is the official definition. Basically it involves ignoring the elders. They don't like that. You'll be kicked out. Because ignoring elders is worse than raping children then pretending you're sorry.

  • stuckinarut2

    I can just imagine a scenario like this:

    "what!? Brother so and so, you will not attend the assigned congregation? You are living outside of the territory? You have not abided by the clear direction of us as elders? BRAZEN CONDUCT"


    "Brother, your facial hair is not appropriate. You have ignored our request and direction to shave it now several times. You are showing a rebellious and BRAZEN ATTITUDE!"


    "brother, your pants are too tight, and you seem to carry a pillow with you often, BRAZEN CONDUCT!"

  • FedUpJW

    Agreed. "Brazen" conduct is anything that does not fall into the normal "kiss-the-elder's-asses" JDub conduct.

  • Diogenesister

    So...brazen conduct is:

    ° saying hello to a DF friend.

    ° Going on a date with a member of the opposite sex when separated or only legally divorced.

    ° Child abuse.

    Only Watchtower could think they belong in the same category.

  • LongHairGal

    The term “brazen conduct” as used by the JW religion seems to have replaced the term “loose conduct”.

    I always felt the term “loose conduct” implied somebody was involved in immorality even if they were not🙄. It sounded rather stupid to me. Maybe that’s why the religion replaced it with “brazen conduct”...But, we all know that anything the elders or the religion doesn’t like will be categorized as “brazen conduct”. No surprise here.

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Korah, Dathan, and Abiram are generally used as the example of "rebelling" against God's appointed representative/s. (aka elders) Sigh.

  • DesirousOfChange

    Yes, "brazen conduct" has replaced the term "loose conduct", however in the past a person could not be DFd for "loose conduct" until after having been counseled previously for the same "offense". The new Elders' Book shows that the first incidence of "brazen conduct" is a DF offense. I appears to being used as the final "catch all" to get rid of anyone that hasn't really committed a DFing offense, as almost anything can be "wrapped up" in the claim of "brazen conduct".

  • Vidiot

    Credit where credit's due.

    It's probably the most versatile DFing tool they've come up with yet.


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