What does the Catholic church think of JW?

by Halcon 127 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • GLTirebiter
    GLTirebiter

    Thank you for expanding on this, Blondie.

    Matthew 28:19 does say this in the King James Version (and the RNWT)

    It is "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" in all the versions I have on hand: NRSV (Catholic edition), Jerusalem Bible (1966), New Jerusalem Bible (1989), North American Bible-Revised Edition, and Berkley Revised (aka Gideon Bible), and also a Spanish language translation of unknown pedigree. Douay Rheims is identical except for using the older "...Holy Ghost" wording. So this final instruction of Jesus Christ is consistent through all major translations, even the RNWT.

  • Earnest
    Earnest
    slimboyfat : On a tangent, I’m interested in the claims floating around that pope Benedict’s resignation in 2013 was invalid because of the wording he used and therefore Francis was an anti-pope.

    That is interesting, slim, but I think it is just a fringe movement in conservative Catholicism and without widespread support. I am by no means an authority on this, but I understand there are a number of conservative Catholics who don't accept the Second Vatican Council and believe that all subsequent popes, including Pope John XXIII, are heretical. If I am to draw an analogy with JWs, I would say this is akin to not accepting that the GB is in itself the "faithful and discreet slave", rather than the entire remnant as was understood prior to 2012.

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Habemus Papam!

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    There have been 30 odd antipopes apparently, so it does happen.

    My favourite pope during my lifetime was Benedict. I thought he was both intelligent and considerate, plus I liked the fact he was German and spoke German. I kind of like the idea that Benedict might have fooled everyone by resigning but not really resigning by not using the correct Latin for resignation, though it seems unlikely.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Pope Mark the second?

  • Halcon
    Halcon

    Yes indeed, looks like we have a new Pope.

    Thank you Blondie for expanding on that subject of the baptism. Based on that last note you referenced, it does still appear to be that JW acknowledges at least 'the role' of the Holy Spirit.

    A quick and superficial Google search on the subject indicates that the catholic church seems to not recognize the JW baptism on the basis of the Trinity doctrine.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Pope Leo, an America. 🇺🇸

  • vienne
    vienne

    Now that this thread has gone on for fifteen days or so, I have this question: Why would anyone care what the Catholic church thinks about another religion?

  • blondie
    blondie

    Halcon, but then the WTS does recognize the baptisms of other religions. Definitely 1956 and after, but most likely rebaptism was required after 1918, the WTS at time said that its members (all anointed because there was no great crowd identified then, all were anointed) were being taken to heaven in 1918. Is this confusing, and the has been forthcoming in explaining in their history. Only those baptized before 1918 did not have to be baptized again. While the exact details of Charles Taze Russell's personal baptismal practices before 1918 are not definitively documented, the organization later established that immersion before 1918, coupled with a shift away from a previous religious affiliation and affiliation with the Watch Tower, was considered valid.

    But in 1956, is was stated definitely, people needed to be rebaptized by jws.

    WT 1956 July 1 p. 406 pp.14 “Often the question is asked whether one baptized previously in a ceremony performed by some other religious group should again be baptized when coming to an accurate knowledge of the truth and making a dedication to Jehovah. Because of what has been already said, now there is compelling reason for also saying, Yes, one must be baptized again. Obviously, by any of such religious systems one was never in reality baptized “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,” because had he been so baptized he would have appreciated the authority and office of such true Higher Powers. And if previously dedicated to Jehovah, the individual would have separated himself from such God-dishonoring Babylonish systems even before letting them baptize him. So the act of being baptized is not the important thing, but, rather, that which the act symbolizes is the element of importance.

    My grandparents were baptized as Bible Students (what members of the WTS were known back then (changed to Jehovah's witnesses in 1931 by Rutherford) and had been Lutherans and had to cut off all ties with their church.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Edit to say that the WTS does NOT recognized baptisms of other religions.

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