What does the Catholic church think of JW?

by Halcon 116 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    Recent genealogical research has provided new insights …

    Pure ChatGPT-ese. Is there really somebody somewhere doing serious research on this? Whose research? What research? It’s vague because it’s computer generated generalities aimed to please rather that accurately reflect reality.

    I think rational people are well able to make up their own minds on this issue by now. You’re flogging an extremely dead horse at this point.

    On a tangent, I’m interested in the claims floating around that pope Benedict’s resignation in 2013 was invalid because of the wording he used and therefore Francis was an anti-pope. And aqwabot123, I know ChatGPT can supply 2000 words in 10 seconds to totally refute that Francis was an anti-pope. We can all do that for ourselves if we want an essay to prove whatever point we want to prove.

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345
    @slimboyfat

    I know very well that you are an apostle of anti-Catholic bigotry and hatred, and especially against me, so in the future I would ask you that if your comments do not contain any substantive objections (only a methodological temper tantrum related to AI), then please rather do not speak to me at all .You have spoken nonsense as usual, I contacted the Weilheim parish and the archives, and they responded to this. And what have you done, buddy, to substantiate your claim of JW bias? Have you done any research on the subject, or are you just harassing me?

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I have enough common sense to work out the story is likely true because there is a photo of the woman in the newspaper and she is wearing a JW convention badge. Any scenario that involves either her or someone else making it up seems far more convoluted than the simple claim she is a relative of the pope who happens to be a JW and that he contacted her. So on a balance of probabilities it seems more likely true than not. Obviously I accept this is not proof, but I think I can live with the level of certainty on this since it is not earth-shattering news either way. The details of the conversation between them may be more open to interpretation but I think it’s reasonable that the pope may have made such generous comments as claimed to an old acquaintance early in his pontificate. It would be in character for him as he also invited his former friend Hans Küng for lunch around the same time when he had just become pope, so he was clearly in the mood for reaching out to old friends.

  • vienne
    vienne

    aqw,

    This is an open forum. If you post here your comments are open to review by everyone. No one likes a negative comment, but Slim "hit the nail on the head" when commenting on your post. You didn't like it. But silence or an effective, well thought out rebuttal would have been better than the "cry baby" reply you made.

    I know you're upset. You seem to be ambivalent about your beliefs. You're working hard to sustain them. I see that. We all review our beliefs at some point, and that can be a difficult experience. But please do maintain a bit of maturity.

    Annie

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    The suggestion that a photograph of a woman wearing a convention badge constitutes compelling evidence of kinship with Pope Benedict XVI borders on the absurd. Common sense, invoked so confidently, is only as reliable as the information it is based on. A name tag and a smile in a newspaper do not establish genealogical fact—no more than standing in front of the Eiffel Tower makes one Parisian. This argument confuses superficial optics with documented historical truth. The entire claim hinges not on substantiated records but on anecdote, emotional projection, and a deep misunderstanding of how historical validation works. That someone could imagine a scenario in which the story is true is not evidence that it is true.

    More to the point, invoking Hans Küng—a prominent Catholic theologian with a decades-long public friendship and documented academic history with Joseph Ratzinger—as a comparison is wildly misplaced. Hans Küng and Ratzinger shared decades of academic discourse, intense theological disagreement, and personal correspondence. That is not equivalent to a supposed second cousin with no demonstrable blood connection, no shared family documents, and no traceable intersection of family lines. It is frankly bizarre to pretend that those two relationships are comparable. One is backed by thousands of pages of correspondence and institutional history; the other, by a convention badge and a warm anecdote passed down by word of mouth.

    To vienne—I am well aware this is an open forum, and I welcome critique grounded in substance. What I do not entertain is the pious hand-wringing of people who mistake calm condescension for argument and equate a rebuke of sloppy reasoning with emotional instability. I don’t require your unsolicited psychoanalysis, nor your presumption about my internal beliefs. That’s an evasion of the core issue. This is not about “negativity,” it is about intellectual integrity and factual accuracy. If you are so impressed by “slimboyfat” stating that a photo and a hunch are good enough, then by all means, follow that standard—but don’t pretend you are engaging in a serious discussion of historical claims.

    And most of all, I don't want to see any more comments from this guy on my post where the term "AI" or "ChatGPT" is mentioned at all, either focus on the content or let him leave me alone. I contacted the archivists and the parish, and this guy is blatantly accusing me of fabricating the information, even though he did no research on this matter. I researched it, published the information here, and all he can do is take offense. And yet you - his fellow anti-Catholic - applaud this abusive attitude. It's disgusting.

    The genealogical record of Joseph Ratzinger is not an obscure mystery. It is public, detailed, and corroborated by civil and ecclesiastical sources across Bavaria and South Tyrol. No connection to the Brzakovic or Blabst families appears in any of those sources. To believe otherwise without such documentation is not open-mindedness—it is credulity. And to conflate skepticism of an unverified anecdote with some kind of emotional turmoil is not only lazy but tellingly defensive. If you cannot distinguish between respectful scrutiny and a “temper tantrum,” perhaps it is your own need for emotional comfort—not mine—that is guiding your response.

    So yes, this is an open forum, and in such a forum, I will continue to insist that serious claims demand serious evidence, and that sentimental narratives—no matter how charming—are not a substitute for documented truth. Would you care to engage with the genealogical data, or are you more comfortable staying in the realm of unverifiable anecdotes and pop psychology?

  • vienne
    vienne

    Tempramentalism at its best. You could have said all of that in five sentences.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    The articles mentioned before seem interesting, but don’t constitute proof. At this point it is hearsay in some sensationalist local rag. There’s always some far away family member in someone’s vicinity looking for 5 minutes in the limelight.

    As far as the papacy, I recently heard there are at least 2 instances in the last 100 years where people say the current pope is not legitimate. Pope John XXIII and Pope Francis both had active opposition in the Church to their legitimacy, believing the current seat to be vacant. Coming from JW it may seem surprising, but that is actually tolerated in the Catholic Church, one had to do with the fact Pope John XXIII covered up serious corruption surrounding the Vatican Bank, for Francis they believe someone or something forced the previous pope to step down (whereas typically they must pass away before vacating the seat).

  • vienne
    vienne

    I seriously dont care if the Witness woman is related to a pope. To me it is irrelevant. .

  • GLTirebiter
    GLTirebiter

    Regarding the original topic:

    The Catholic church does not recognize Jehovah's Witness baptisms as being valid. That is because JW baptisms do not use the trinitarian form: baptizing "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19). The church does accept most protestant baptisms, those which use the trinitarian form and wet the head with water (anything from a simple pour on the forehead to full immersion is acceptable).

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    GL TIREBITER:

    That is interesting about the Catholics not recognizing Witness baptisms as valid because they don’t baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    I never thought about this. How funny that now that I am long Out of the Witnesses, I only recognize the Roman Catholic baptism I received in infancy as valid..(To be honest I never stopped viewing it as valid..I wondered to myself why it was necessary to be baptized again by the JWs if somebody was already baptized a Christian elsewhere).

    My Catholic baptism was more official and at least provided me with a document that can be used for an ID if needed.

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