Why are JW's THIS blind?

by BoogerMan 41 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan

    I had a conversation about this 22 carat gold contradiction with a couple of zealous JW's a couple of days ago.

    Even their personal "explanations" contradicted each other as they tried justify their cognitive dissonance!

    An absolute delight to witness such absurdity.

    "After all, no one will be allowed to practice vile things in the new world. The unrighteous must have practiced these vile things [John 5:29] before their death." - September 2022 Study Watchtower - p. 18 par. 14

    “Based on what “deeds” will resurrected ones be judged?.....Here, then, “their deeds” cannot be deeds from their former life. Rather, these must refer to their deeds.....in the new world. - September 2022 Study Watchtower - p.19, par. 18

  • ExBethelitenowPIMA
    ExBethelitenowPIMA

    Yes unrighteousness will not be allowed they will be killed in the new world

    so it’s not a contradiction

  • ExBethelitenowPIMA
    ExBethelitenowPIMA

    So the resurrection of the unrighteous will be some reserected ones who practised vile things in the old world but will be given a second chance as it were

    they will be given a reasonable amount of time in the new world but if they still choose to be unrighteous they will be taken away at some point

    this is what it means that unrighteousness will not be allowed, not saying it absolutely will not happen just that it won’t be allowed

    It’s not a contradiction that would be laughed at if that’s the best you have got

    a better one would be at the end of the thousand year reign, will these unrighteous ones have lived since their reserection (may take a long time even upto the end of the 1000yrs to bring everyone back) right up to the end of the 1000yrs?

    how will some still choose to side with Satan after everything they have seen? No faith will be needed like it is now?

  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan

    @ exBethelite - "It’s not a contradiction..."

    Paragraph 19 states categorically that the evil deeds will be practiced in the new world.

    Paragraph 14 states categorically that evil deeds will not be practiced in the new world.

    Call me pedantic, but I see a monstrous contradiction with these two "truths." That's the best I've got.

    The JW's indoctrinated fantasy about the millenium & the resurrection can be hard to flush away.

  • ThomasMore
    ThomasMore

    When WTC attempts to weave the scriptures into their clumsy narrative, it becomes word salad. This is a classic example. Many paragraphs are needed to EXPLAIN how this can be true.

    Similar to this is the doctrine of the 144K. Thousands and thousands of uncompromising Christians died on stakes at the hands of Rome, but WTC invalidates their integrity by saying that the number was not filled until the 1930's.

    Beware of EVERYTHING they say and publish.

    "But they have some things right" some say.

    Behold! The broken clock tells the truth 2 minutes each day.

  • ExBethelitenowPIMA
    ExBethelitenowPIMA

    “19 states categorically that the evil deeds will be practiced in the new world.

    Paragraph 14 states categorically that evil deeds will not be practiced in the new world.”

    It’s obvious that those who practice vile things in the old world have a choice

    if they no longer practice vile things they can live forever

    if they choose otherwise they will be killed

    getting down to the nitty gritty will the vile things actually be practiced in the new world? We don’t really know, we just know that they will not be permitted!

    maybe the teaching is as soon as they start to practice vile things they will immediately be destroyed

    that’s the teaching anyway

    there is no contradiction

    it’s these cheap shots that give apostates a bad rep

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @ExBethelite, what scriptural grounds do they have for these assertions, the first assertion is indeed supported by Christian writings, the second assertion not by the canonical biblical text, since the idea of a 1000 year ‘in-between’ purgatory-style earth or reincarnation is not in the Bible.

    Thus if you ask to justify, it does indeed become contradictory to the biblical texts. Yes, you can make excuses for it, but you can’t assert biblical sourcing, redemption through faith is the core of Christianity and a resurrection to incorruptible state is asserted by Paul (1 Cor 15) and various other verses.

    The JWs assert a 1000 year temporary reincarnation based on misinterpretation of a single scripture in Revelation and off course Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach and a few other Judaic and early Christian apocrypha and commentaries which Russell and Rutherford were quite fond of plagiarizing for their interpretation.

  • ExBethelitenowPIMA
    ExBethelitenowPIMA
    • ExBethelite, what scriptural grounds do they have for these assertions, the first assertion is indeed supported by Christian writings, the second assertion not by the canonical biblical text, since the idea of a 1000 year ‘in-between’ purgatory-style earth or reincarnation is not in the Bible.

      Thus if you ask to justify, it does indeed become contradictory to the biblical texts. Yes, you can make excuses for it, but you can’t assert biblical sourcing, redemption through faith is the core of Christianity and a resurrection to incorruptible state is asserted by Paul (1 Cor 15) and various other verses.

      The JWs assert a 1000 year temporary reincarnation based on misinterpretation of a single scripture in Revelation and off course Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach and a few other Judaic and early Christian apocrypha and commentaries which Russell and Rutherford were quite fond of plagiarizing for their interpretation.


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      YES THAT ALL MAKES SENSE.

      IM JUST SAYING ITS NOT A CONTRADICTION THAT VILE THINGS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED

  • ExBethelitenowPIMA
    ExBethelitenowPIMA

    We all know that scripture can be twisted and interpreted in many different ways

    its very easy to critique anyones interpretation of the 1000 years talked about in the Bible but what you you think is the correct interpretation? That’s the hard part.

    Im PIMA so I will remain physically in and mentally agnostic

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    ExBethelitenowPIMA is correct in saying that the WT did not contradict themselves in regards to what is quoted in the opening post of this topic thread. Months ago in a different topic thread the same subject was discussed and I explained there that there was no contradiction by the WT in that matter.

    BoogerMan and others, on p. 18 paragraph 14 the WT defines what they mean by a person who is resurrected as an unrighteous person. That kind of person is defined by the WT as one who practiced vile things before their death and subsequent resurrection. Furthermore, when the WT said "The unrighteous must have practiced these vile things before their death" the WT is writing about a death which was experienced before their resurrection during the 1000 years, and thus a death experienced before the start of the 1000 years - not a death during the 1000 years (as punishment/execution) and not a death at the end of the 1000 years. It also says that during the 1,000 years no one will be allowed to practice vile things, it does not say that during the 1000 years that no one will be allowed to do a vile thing. That is an important distinction to keep in mind. There is a big difference between doing something once and making a practice of doing something.

    On page 19 paragraph 18 the WT says that those who are resurrected during the 1000 years will be judged by the deeds (good and/or bad) they do during the 1,000 years. But, notice that on page 18 the WT used the word "practiced" as a modifier.

    During the years when I was an active baptized JW (in the 1980s through the 1990s) the WT literature explained what they meant by their use of phrase "practice sin" (instead of simply saying "sin" or "do a sin") and in one verse in the WT's 1984 NWT NT (in a letter of John, I think) they draw a distinction between that phrase of "practice sin" (or something close to it) and the phrase "commit a sin" (or a phrase close to it). Basically the one practicing vile things are ones who repeatedly do vile things, rather than those who did a vile only once (or perhaps only twice or so). It is kind like one of he criteria the JW elders use when deciding if a guilty JW should be disfellowshipped or not, or if the person should be publicly reproved or not. Namely, the elders try to determine if the person made a practice of doing the wrong, a habit of doing the wrong, or not.

    The WT teaching of the judgment of people during the 1000 years is more comparable to what currently happens to people in probation (such as by the prison system, by an employer to an employee, and by parents to their child), than it is comparable to the doctrine of purgatory. The purgatory doctrine says that people will suffer in purgatory (while being judged) until they have been purified.

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