The WatchTower conductor lied on stage

by Isambard Crater 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Crazyguy

    In Luke chapter 16 Jesus says you want to be a follower of his you must hate your family. So I'm think the idea is give it all up and be his slave , completely devoted.

  • cofty

    Disliked a good comment on previous page by mistake. Stupid big fingers!

  • LongHairGal


    I think the speaker was wrong because I think Jesus meant it literally. However, the world was different back then. Jesus and his disciples didn't starve so I'm guessing people either took them in and fed them; they fished or picked fruit, etc.

    But, I do find fault with Jesus supposedly asking followers to leave family. What if they were the sole support of their family?? Would Jesus have meant for the wife and children to starve? Jesus might have said: brother you have a good heart but go back and take care of your family.

    Nobody could realistically do this today, try as they may..Although during the Depression era in the US in rural areas they rode bicycles, preached and maybe bartered for food which suggests they did something in return.

    If anybody today thinks they can literally live like Jesus did, good luck!

  • EverApostate

    Matthew 19:21

    Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

    Luke 14:26

    If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters — yes, even his own life — he cannot be My disciple.

  • pale.emperor

    Long story short. Jesus was a cult leader.

  • Pete Zahut
    Pete Zahut

    I wouldn't say it was a lie...the question just wasn't answered very thoroughly.

    In this instance, I understand the word "everything" to indicate that you'd do whatever it took to remain as a subject of God's Kingdom and the word everything indicates the importance of the matter. For some, it may only take modest adjustments in their lives but for others it may take drastic changes for them to remain subjects of God's kingdom (ie: selling belongings, changing jobs etc). The idea being conveyed is that one would be ready to make any sacrifice necessary, to remain in God's Kingdom.

  • just fine
    just fine

    Funny after everything - you are still surprised they lie. They will lie about any of their beliefs to people they are trying to recruit.

    Liars lie, it's what they do.

  • Vidiot
    Pee Zahut - "...the question just wasn't answered very thoroughly."

    On purpose, too, I'm quite sure.

  • sparrowdown

    Literally everything? Really? Think about it. How many JWs have you known that have actually given up everything, their homes, their car, their belongings, their job, and left their spouse?

    Bethelites and missionaries possibly? Which is a very tiny percentage of the number of overall JWs.

    I have known converts that given up a hell of a lot but not literally everything.

    This is guilt inducing WT rhetoric to make conscientious people think they haven't given up enough and thus keep them perpetually guilty.

    AS I SAID on the previous page it's talking about giving up everything that prevents you from being a fully functioning cult member.

    Last time I checked you needed a car, a tablet, a suit, somewhere to live and at least a minimum wage job for that because WT is NOT a charity.

  • Scully

    Considering the example set by the members of the Slippery Seven Governing Body™ at WT HQ, who have, after all, taken a vow of "poverty", I would say the Bible™/Jesus™ didn't mean what he meant. ;)

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