Following up on the research for family.

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  • truthseekers2
    truthseekers2

    Well, we put together two more emails to send to hubby's family following up the ones about whether the witnesses are encouraged to do independant research and whether they claim to be prophets. We haven't heard a thing from his sister, but his mom wrote back a quick note to say she and dad are going to reply, but just need the time to put it all together. She also said they still do not doubt it's "the truth." Maybe these things will make them stop and think a bit more; maybe not. At least they are willing to read the things and at least we are able to send them for now. I hope that door doesn't close on us eventually.

    One request: Can anyone think of some scriptures that describe God as being unchanging, firm, etc. Ones that would make us KNOW that He would NOT allow "light" to go from bright, dim, bright, etc.? I could use a few but can't think of any off the top of my head right now except for the Yes mean Yes and No mean No. TIA!

    Here are the two emails in seperate posts below: (yes, I did a lot of my research online but consulted my library and CD as always!)

  • truthseekers2
    truthseekers2

    Proverbs 4:18, 19

    But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established. The way of the wicked ones is like the gloom; they have not known at what they keep stumbling. (New light cannot contradict old light!)

    1 John 4:1

    Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

    Matthew 24:23-27, 30

    Then if anyone says to YOU, Look! Here is the Christ, or, There! do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned YOU. Therefore, if people say to YOU, Look! He is in the wilderness, do not go out; Look! He is in the inner chambers, do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence of the Son of man will be. And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Luke 17:23, 24

    And people will say to YOU , See there! or, See here! Do not go out or chase after [them]. For even as the lightning, by its flashing, shines from one part under heaven to another part under heaven, so the Son of man will be.

    John 8:44

    Because truth is not in himbecause he is a liar and the father of [the lie]. (Satan)

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    Will the men of Sodom be resurrected?

    Yes -- Watchtower July 18, 1879 page 8

    No -- Watchtower June 1, 1952 page 338

    Yes -- Watchtower August 1, 1965 page 479

    No -- Watchtower June 1, 1988 page 31

    Yes -- Live Forever (old edition) page 179

    No -- Live Forever (new edition) page 179

    Yes -- Insight, vol. 2, page 985

    No -- Revelation book, page 273

    When did 6,000 years of human history end?

    "6,000 years from Adam ended in A.D. 1872." -- Daily Heavenly Manna, (inside cover page).

    "6,000 years of human history ended in 1873." -- The Time is at Hand p. 33

    "6,000 years of human history ended in 1972." -- The Truth Shall Make You Free p. 152 (1943 edition)

    "6,000 years of human history ended in 1975." -- Awake October 8, 1968 p. 15

    Who are the "Higher Powers" of Romans 13:1?

    "Higher Powers" refers to earthly governments. -- The Time is at Hand p. 81

    "Higher Powers" refers to Jehovah God and Jesus. -- The Truth Shall Make You Free p. 312

    "Higher Powers" refers to earthly governments. -- Man's Salvation is at Hand p. 326

    Does Revelation's "Alpha and Omega" refer to Jehovah or Christ?

    Refers to Jehovah God. -- Awake August 22, 1978 p. 28

    Refers to Jesus Christ. -- Watchtower October 1, 1978 p. 15

    (Notice how the "truth" changes in just two months?)

    Refers to Jehovah God. -- Reasoning book p. 412

    Who is Revelations Abaddon-Apollyon?

    Refers to Satan. -- The Finished Mystery p. 159

    Refers to Jesus Christ. -- Then is Finished the Mystery of God p. 232

    (Quite a change!)

    Should Jesus be worshipped?

    Jesus to be worshipped. -- Watchtower July 15, 1898 p. 2337; Watchtower October 1880 p. 144; Make Sure (1953) p. 85

    Jesus not to be worshipped. -- Watchtower May 15, 1954 p. 317; Watchtower July 15, 1959 p. 421

    Relative worship. -- Watchtower November 15, 1970 p. 704

    Was Jesus impaled on a cross or on a stake?

    Jesus died on a cross. -- Life p. 216

    Jesus did NOT die on a cross. -- Truth p. 142

    We cannot be sure. -- Watchtower April 1, 1984 p. 31

    What about the 1914 "generation?

    Until October 22nd, 1995, each Awake magazine proclaimed, "...the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away."

    Beginning with the November 8th, 1995 Awake, the reference to 1914 disappeared.

    Jehovah's Witnesses teach that 80 years is the longest possible time for a "generation." Thus, if we take the year 1914, and add 80 years, we arrive at 1994 as the year when "a peaceful and secure new world" had to arrive.

    "Therefore, in the final fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy today, 'this generation' apparently refers to the peoples of earth who see the sign of Christ's presence but fail to mend their ways." -- Awake, November 8th, 1995.

    If a Jehovah's Witness had taught this new interpretation of "generation" before 1995 he would have been disfellowshipped for teaching a false doctrine. On the other hand, if a Jehovah's Witness continues to teach the old interpretation as he did before 1995, he would also be disfellowshipped.

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    Ezekiel 13

    And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: Son of man, prophesy concerning the prophets of Israel who are prophesying, and you must say to those prophesying out of their own heart, Hear the word of Jehovah. This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: Woe to the stupid prophets, who are walking after their own spirit, when there is nothing that they have seen! Like foxes in the devastated places are what your own prophets have become, O Israel. Y OU men will certainly not go up into the gaps, neither will YOU build up a stone wall in behalf of the house of Israel, in order to stand in the battle in the day of Jehovah. They have visioned what is untrue and a lying divination, those who are saying, The utterance of Jehovah is, when Jehovah himself has not sent them, and they have waited to have a word come true. Is it not an untrue vision that YOU men have visioned, and a lying divination that YOU have said, when saying, The utterance of Jehovah is, when I myself have spoken nothing?

    Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: For the reason that

    YOU men have spoken untruth and YOU have visioned a lie, therefore here I am against YOU , is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. And my hand has come to be against the prophets that are visioning untruth and that are divining a lie. In the intimate group of my people they will not continue on, and in the register of the house of Israel they will not be written, and to the soil of Israel they will not come; and YOU people will have to know that I am the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, for the reason, yes, for the reason that they have led my people astray, saying, There is peace! when there is no peace, and there is one that is building a partition wall, but in vain there are those plastering it with whitewash.

    Say to those plastering with whitewash that it will fall. A flooding downpour will certainly occur, and

    YOU , O hailstones, will fall, and a blast of windstorms itself will cause a splitting. And, look! the wall must fall. Will it not be said to YOU men, Where is the coating with which YOU did the plastering?

    Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, I will also cause a blast of windstorms to burst forth in my rage, and in my anger there will occur a flooding downpour, and in rage there will be hailstones for an extermination. And I will tear down the wall that

    YOU men have plastered with whitewash and bring it into contact with the earth, and its foundation must be exposed. And she will certainly fall, and YOU must come to an end in the midst of her; and YOU will have to know that I am Jehovah.

    And I will bring my rage to its finish upon the wall and upon those plastering it with whitewash, and I shall say to

    YOU men: The wall is no more, and those plastering it are no more, the prophets of Israel that are prophesying to Jerusalem and that are visioning for her a vision of peace, when there is no peace, is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.

    And as for you, O son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people who are acting as prophetesses out of their own heart, and prophesy against them. And you must say, This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: Woe to the women sewing bands together upon all elbows and making veils upon the head of every size in order to hunt souls! Are the souls that

    YOU women hunt down the ones belonging to my people, and the souls belonging to YOU the ones that YOU preserve alive? And will YOU profane me toward my people for the handfuls of barley and for the morsels of bread, in order to put to death the souls that ought not to die and in order to preserve alive the souls that ought not to live by YOUR lie to my people, the hearers of a lie?

    Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, Here I am against the bands of

    YOU women, with which YOU are hunting down the souls as though they were flying things, and I will rip them from off YOUR arms and let go the souls that YOU are hunting down, souls as though they were flying things. And I will rip away YOUR veils and deliver my people out of YOUR hand, and they will no more prove to be in YOUR hand something caught in the hunt; and YOU will have to know that I am Jehovah. By reason of dejecting the heart of a righteous one with falsehood, when I myself had not caused him pain, and for making the hands of a wicked one strong so that he would not turn back from his bad way in order to preserve him alive, therefore untruth YOU women will not keep on visioning, and divination YOU will divine no longer; and I will deliver my people out of YOUR hand, and YOU will have to know that I am Jehovah.
  • truthseekers2
    truthseekers2

    I'm having trouble posting these, so I'll post the other set either later or tomorrow...thanks! :) Shauna

  • AwakenedAndFree
    AwakenedAndFree

    Dear Truthseekers2,

    : Can anyone think of some scriptures that describe God as being unchanging, firm, etc. Ones that would make us KNOW that He would NOT allow "light" to go from bright, dim, bright, etc.?

    JAMES 1:16,17,18: (16): "Do not be misled, my beloved brothers ." (17):"Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, for it comes down from the Father of the [celestial] lights, and with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow." (18): " Because he willed it, he brought us forth by the word of truth, for us to be certain firstfruits of his creatures."

    Christian love,

    AwakenedAndFree

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    Great lay-out of "flip-flop interpretations" up above, truthseekers2. And thanks for sharing the research and scriptures, both of you who posted.

    When I first started re-learning/realizing all of these "variations of the shadows" by the WTS, the scripture that came to my mind was this one: "You fathers, do not be irritating your children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah." (paraphrasing as I don't know the chapter/verse).

    If you recall, the WTS' interpretation of "do not be irritating (your children)" was that a parent should be CONSISTENT in their teaching and discipline techniques. So if the society was giving that advice to parents, how much more so should we think that Jehovah would be CONSISTENT with HIS "instructions/discipline/interpretations/revelations/understandings" of scripture to his supposed-channel. Would He really "flip-flop" constantly in what is true/not true/true/not true, thereby "irritating" the hell out of his people? I think not, lol!

  • Ravyn
    Ravyn

    <<<Proverbs 4:18, 19 But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established. The way of the wicked ones is like the gloom; they have not known at what they keep stumbling. (New light cannot contradict old light!)>>>

    here's a point Truthseekers2---where in that scripture does it say anything about NEW light? It doesn't. It does not even allude to NEW light. That is a totally made up JW thing. It says the light gets brighter, does not say it is a different light. It also does not say that it gets brighter, then dimmer, then brighter again...so the light cannot go back to what it was, it can only add to itself. So if the answer is yes today, it can't be no tomorrow and then yes again in 6 months. This is not vacillating light, no dimmer switches, or power surges or solar flares. I don't even know when the expression 'NEW light' first came up---but it is not even scriptural.(of course that never stopped JWs before from turning an idea into dogma...)

    Ravyn

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