Was HW Armstrong a JW?

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  • Skeptic
    Skeptic
    Sometimes the WT publications would treat a topic, and the next month the Plain Truth would deal with it. At other times, the Plain Truth touched on the topic first.

    I was amused by these stories....after all, if the WTS is so certain that the Plain Truth was copying them, then they must be regular readers of the Plain Truth. So, they can touch the unclean thing and read Christendom's publications, but the ordinary JW can't? More hyprocisy, I see. And if it isn't the WTBS who is "sinning" then more than a few JWs must be regular readers of the Plain Truth. (If the rumors were true.)

    Richard

  • fjtoth
    fjtoth

    Blondie,

    Thanks for the observation. I think a lot of JWs start stories they wish were true. I was one of the gullible ones who heard and believed that all of Christendom's clergy were reading the WT in order to improve their sermons.


    Richard,

    Excellent point. Many publications forbidden to the average JW were in the Writing Dept., Legal Dept. and Bethel Family libraries when I was there. I also think it's hypocritical how much time is spent beautifying the Society's properties. If you do the same thing with your own home and property, you could be criticized for not spending all that gardening and sprucing up time in the door-to-door activity.


    Frank

  • fjtoth
    fjtoth

    As an afterthought:

    How many know that pioneers are invited to Bethel to help with planting and caring for gardens? How many also know that those pioneers are allowed to count all or most of that time on their field service reports?

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    One of our ex JW friends married a disfellowshipped Armstrong man. We had dinner with them, and it was amazing how similar they were to JW's. In all areas. Mind boggling.

  • cookie
    cookie

    We had dinner with them, and it was amazing how similar they were to JW's. In all areas. Mind boggling.

    They also had a book with a similar title to Russell's (divine plan of ages?),but have successfully (through legal means) stopped the Philadelphia church of god (TRUMPET writer's ) from publishing or distributing copies of it. (I wanted it so that I could compare it to the WT take on it because, I ,too, wondered if the same writing staff may have worked for both.)

    It is interesting to note the paralells in the heated division that occurred within Armstrong's group and the philadelphia church / with the wt group and russellites.The WT and PLAIN TRUTH guys are somewhat dismissive of their founder's beliefs but the spin- offs, Russellites ,as well as the Philadelphia church of god have kept their founder's on a perpetual pedestal.

    It was also of interest to me that Russell was referred to as the Laodacean messenger and Armstrong was referred to as the Philadelphian messenger.

    Hmmm, if one didn't know better (does one?)one might think that they were different divisions of the same body.Kind of like the army, navy, and air force all part of one military giant, but separate and competetive with each other on their respective levels.

    Some day someone ought to do a comparative analysis of the American made religions and see just what they have in common other than mind control,secret male hieirarchies,and worlwide building operations. Maybe we would find a common bank account somewhere!

    Cookie

  • sf
    sf

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    http://pages.euphony.net/josua/RMI/RMI%20A.html

    A portion, as you scroll:

    Armstrong, Garner Ted: Son of Herbert W. Armstrong (founder of the Worldwide Church of God). Garner Ted formed his own rival, splinter group. See "Church of God, International."
    Armstrong, Herbert W.: Developed an eclectic doctrinal system known as Armstrongism and founded the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) which rejected virtually all of his unique beliefs in the decade following his death in 1986. Splinter groups of the Worldwide Church of God, however, continue to use various forms of Armstrong's teachings. See "Armstrongism," "Worldwide Church of God."
    Armstrongism: The doctrines and theories of Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986) who founded the Worldwide Church of God (WCG). These beliefs include a rejection of the essential doctrines of evangelical Christianity such as the doctrine of the Trinity, the full deity of Jesus and the personality of the Holy Spirit. Armstrong taught British Israelism and believed that worthy humans could eventually "become God as God is God." Salvation was predicated upon observing the Sabbath laws each Saturday, tithing (20-30%), keeping the Old Testament feast days and dietary laws. Under the leadership of Armstrong's successors, Joseph W. Tkach and his son Joe Tkach, the Worldwide Church of God has undergone a radical doctrinal transformation. Scores of WCG splinter groups, such as the Global Church of God and the United Church of God, continue to teach various forms of Armstrongism. See "Salvation by Works," "Salvation by Grace," "Gospel," "Sabbatarianism," "British Israelism," "Worldwide Church of God."
    Armageddon Time Ark Base Operation, O.T. Nodrog Weslaco, TX: Part of the UFO family, channels messages from outer dimensional forces.

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  • NeonMadman
    NeonMadman
    They also had a book with a similar title to Russell's (divine plan of ages?),but have successfully (through legal means) stopped the Philadelphia church of god (TRUMPET writer's ) from publishing or distributing copies of it. (I wanted it so that I could compare it to the WT take on it because, I ,too, wondered if the same writing staff may have worked for both.)

    That would be Mystery of the Ages. It was HWA's magnum opus, one of his final works, and summarized pretty much all of his doctrines. You can read the full text, along with almost everything else he wrote, at http://home.sprynet.com/~pabco/index.htm. If you really want to have a hard copy of the book, do a search on eBay. There are copies for sale there almost all the time, and they're usually very cheap.

    Here's what HWA had to say about the JW's:

    NO!

    I Never Was a "Jehovah's Witness,"
    or a Seventh Day Adventist!

    by Herbert W. Armstrong

    L ETTERS continue to ask, "Were you ever a 'Jehovah Witness'? Members of that sect have told me you were."

    Although I have stated positively and definitely on the radio program a number of times and in articles in The PLAIN TRUTH that I never belonged to the sect known as "Jehovah's Witnesses,"or the Seventh Day Adventist denomination, it seems that many, especially of

    "Jehovah's Witnesses" sect, continue spreading the claim that I once belonged to them.

    Let me once again make the truth PLAIN.

    I have never been a member of these so-called "Jehovah's Witnesses," nor of the Seventh Day Adventists. I have never in any manner, shape, nor form, had any remote connection with them, or associated with either sect or denomination. I have never had any fellowship with them.

    I have never attended a regular meeting or church service of either, altho I have attended a very few week-night evangelistic campaign services conducted by Seventh Day Adventist evangelists.

    I have never, however, attended any meeting of the "Jehovah's Witnesses" sect of any kind. I have never had any kind of fellowship with any of their leaders or members. I never knew, or ever saw, their late leader, Judge Ruthford - tho strange tales reach me that I spent some time with him in prison. I have never been in prison or in jail.

    I have never belonged to, attended any meeting of, or had any remote semblance of fellowship with the "Jehovah Witnesses" predecessor, the "Pastor Russell" people.

    I did not learn any of God's TRUTH from the "Jehovah's Witnesses" sect. I have, of course, read some of their writings and their books, and I have been glad to find that they have certain truths, as all sects and denominations have (though mixed with dangerous errors), but God had already revealed these truths to me long before I read of them in their literature. I LEARNED NOTHING THAT I BELIEVE AND TEACH FROM THIS SECT. If they boast of having taught me anything, they misrepresent.

    I learned God's TRUTH directly from GOD - thru His WORD - the Holy Bible. I did not learn it from any sect or denomination.

    But I say unto you, as the Apostle Paul said:

    "I certify you, brethren, that the GOSPEL which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, BUT BY THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST . . . But when it pleased God, who . . . called me by His grace, to reveal His Son in me that I might preach Him to THE WORLD; "immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood" - neither went I to any sect or denomination or organized "church," but I went directly to the WORD OF GOD, and on my knees asked God thru His Spirit to open my understanding - to correct me, reprove and rebuke, and instruct in His Truth and His righteousness; . . . then after three years I went to some of the humble of God's people in the Willamette Valley of Oregon, and preached to them. (Please compare with Galatians 1:11 -18.)

    My ambition and zeal was not persecuting God's true Church, as was Paul's, but climbing the ladder of business success and making money. God struck me down three times successively, by taking out from under my feet the businesses I had started, wiping me out, financially. Then God brought me to the study of His Word by causing me to try to refute the eternal validity, and good of God's spiritual Law, which He had revealed to my wife, and which I at first bitterly opposed.

    During that six-months' study of more than fourteen hours per day, I read very little literature favorable to the Law, but I read everything I could find which opposed it - but mostly I studied

    - just the BIBLE! After six months' intensive study I was forced, in honesty before my God, to swallow the most bitter pill of my life. It literally "killed" me - and I died - surrendered wholly to God, gave my life henceforth to Him to use "if He could."

    I had been brought up from birth in the Friends Church (Quakers), though I had never been converted or begotten as a child of God, and at age 18 I strayed almost wholly away from all church interest or attendance, and devoted my whole energies to business. I had just passed age 30 when God forced me into this study of His Word, and total surrender to Him and His rule over my life.

    From then on, I studied the Bible ON MY KNEES. Time after time it corrected me. Repeatedly I had to suffer reproof, and acknowledge I had been wrong in my beliefs and desires. God chastened and corrected me repeatedly, not only thru revealing His Truth in this way, but by continual circumstances. I had been conceited, proud. But now by bitter experience, by suffering, by circumstance, and by God's Word, I was brought low and humbled. But also I began to experience the unmatched joy of learning truth NEW to me, as God little by little, yet more and more, revealed TRUTHS so wonderful they produced spiritual ecstasy. For the first time in my life I found what HAPPINESS really is!

    God launched me in His work, and after my first evangelistic effort in a church in Harrisburg, Oregon, I experienced the greatest thrill of my life so far, upon realizing a few precious lives

    had been brought to repentance, to surrender to God, to FAITH in Jesus Christ - CONVERTED - CHANGED! Truly it is more blessed to give than to receive!

    That process of being corrected, of GROWING in grace and the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, has continued, now, lo these 30 years - more than a quarter century. And it is still continuing! God grant it shall forever!

    No, MEN did not teach me what I preach to you. I was not taught of men, but of GOD! I do not speak to you by authority of men, or any politically organized church of men - but in the name, and by the AUTHORITY of JESUS CHRIST, the living HEAD of the true CHURCH OF GOD!

    These words of Christ, which He received from the Father - the very words and Gospel of CHRIST which I speak and write to you - they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE!

    Copyright 1956 By Ambassador College
    All Rights Reserved

    Edited by - NeonMadman on 4 February 2003 18:12:37

    Edited by - NeonMadman on 4 February 2003 18:16:17

  • Skeptic
    Skeptic

    fjtoth,

    Excellent point. Many publications forbidden to the average JW were in the Writing Dept., Legal Dept. and Bethel Family libraries when I was there.

    Thanks for confirming what I have suspected for a long time.

    I also think it's hypocritical how much time is spent beautifying the Society's properties. If you do the same thing with your own home and property, you could be criticized for not spending all that gardening and sprucing up time in the door-to-door activity.

    Very true. They will argue that just as you go to your job in the day, the Bethel workers have a job to do and that is to keep Bethel looking good. The labour is free, etc., etc.

    But the real reason is simple. Everything is to be done for the Society's interests. That is the real standard for their decisions, not the Bible. Using a volunteer to keep their grounds nice helps their public image at low cost. You are not directly helping them by keeping your home and yard nice. They get more use out of you by having you do magazine sales.

    Richard

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