Death Penalty (page 4)

Yizuman

This is like saying, "I rather see a thousand child molestors go free than one innocent man convicted" or "I rather see a thousand murderers go free than one innocent man convicted"
That's it exactly what it is saying. Would you just rather hang everyone you think might be guilty and leave the questions for later?

So you rather have child molesters back out the streets molesting kids again? Do you rather see hundreds if not thousands more people dead by the hands of murderers? Is that your stake on this?

I rather keep those turds locked up and made sure they stay there until proven otherwise that they are truely innocent of the crime just for the sake of safety for the public.

Like I said in some other topic that was posted a while back that putting people death who are found to be innocent is RARE and doesn't happen very often. It's a very small percentage that happens.

The system is by no means perfect, but with DNA being available today, that will make it even more RARER than ever before. So there will be far fewer innocent people being put to death for a crime they never had committed.

I'll take this current system we have now today rather than abolish it altogether just for the sake of the few innocents.

Yizuman

mike047

YIZ; Would you find it acceptable to be one of the "few innocents"?

mike

Xena

Mike how would you feel about it if it were your daughter or son that was tortured and murdered and the person that did it was allowed to go free on the premise that better to to see a thousand guilty go free than one innocent convicted?

I am not advocating anything...but there are two sides to every coin.

mike047

Xena, I understand what you are saying. I don't agree with the death penalty. It does not deter crime. It does provide retribution for the victims family, though. I would prefer a long term of "HARD LABOR" not the "COUNTRY CLUB" atmosphere of most, especially federal penal facilities.

Once someone is executed, they can't, to my knowledge be brought back. Long term prison would be more of a deterrant and possibly would allow those "innocents" time to be exonerated.

mike

Abaddon

Yiz; Your connection with no death penalty and child molestors and murderers being 'on the street' is a false one. One does not produce the other.

I would say I sincerely hope you get to prove your support of the death penalty by BEING one of the innocent who are executed. I think somehow you would change your mind. But I don't support the death penalty, not for murderers, not for innocents, not for fools, not even for hypocrites.

Xena

Mike,

As I stated before I am for the death penalty only in cases where guilt is obvious. IE standing over a dead body with a smoking gun and an admission of guilt. For other cases where guilt is proven mainly by circumstancial evidence then give them life in prision (I do agree with you that the prision system needs an overhaul also).

I don't believe in the death penalty as a deterent actually I think if you kill someone the victim is ENTITLED to retribution. Perhaps I need to evolve more in my mentality, but for the moment that is where I am at.

I have to say this and several other discussions on this board have really made me realize that I need to get more involved...when I first left the org. I was just stuggling to figure out my own life but now I am moving forward I see it is time to become more active....I mean how can you ever change anything if you don't at least try to make yourself heard?

roybatty

It does not deter crime.

So what? Why does it have to? Does "life in prison" deter crime? Does the guy who's robbing a store and about to kill the owner and his wife stop and think to himself "hmmm...I had better not do this or I'll be imprisoned for life." No! The death penalty is the punishment for doing the crime. It's not meant to be a deterant.

mike047

ROY; When I think about life in prison, I think of life under the absolutely harshiest conditions possible without causing the demise of the convict. It would NOT deter all criminal, but it might cause SOME to reconsider.

I cannot accept the actual EYE for EYE type of punishment. One life for another is not an even trade for either the perp or victim.

We all see thing differently, I would like to see some means to deter the crime before hand than to exact the pound of flesh after the fact.

mike[of the bladerunner class]

Yizuman

mike047 - YIZ; Would you find it acceptable to be one of the "few innocents"?

I find it unacceptable to allow 1000 child molesters and murderers to go free over a few innocents. Like I said, it's RARE that innocents be put to death. These things do happen. We don't want any innocent individuals be put to death for a crime they have never commited, but it's stupid to overturn the DP just because a few innocents might be put to death.

I would prefer a long term of "HARD LABOR" not the "COUNTRY CLUB" atmosphere of most, especially federal penal facilities.

Why should I have my taxpayer's money being spent to keep a murderer and child molester in prison to feed him, cloth him and keep a roof over his head? Tell me why?

Are you saying you would prefer Ted Bundy, Timothy McVeigh, Jeffrey Dahmer in prison for the horrible crimes they have done? Or how about what if we had another Adolf Hitler who killed 6 million Jews be put in prison than be put to death for what he had done?

Most criminals would rather spend prison time than be put to death and thumb their noses at their victims simply because they take it like a vacation time and they don't have to lift a finger to earn their food, clothes and a bed to sleep on because they know WE'RE paying for it out of our weekly paycheck, it's called TAXES.

Why you think real criminals are trying to weasel their way out of their just punishment and spend 20 some odd years fighting the DP while causing taxpayer's money MORE for fighting it (i.e. lawyer costs, court costs, etc) than accept their punishment. They know what they did was wrong and they don't care!

roybatty -
It does not deter crime.
So what? Why does it have to? Does "life in prison" deter crime? Does the guy who's robbing a store and about to kill the owner and his wife stop and think to himself "hmmm...I had better not do this or I'll be imprisoned for life." No! The death penalty is the punishment for doing the crime. It's not meant to be a deterant.

I agree 100% with Roybatty. They're getting their just punishment by being put to death for their crime.

I got another point to make. Once a criminal proves they are capable of killing, what makes you think they won't kill again while in prison? These murderers are being placed in the general population where they have access to another human being and if he wants to kill again, he will. So it's stupid to to keep a murderer alive among the general population while placing other people who may have committed lesser offenses at risk of being harmed by them.

Even if they were put in a cell 23 hours a day and let out for an hour to shower and exercise. They are still dangerous because the guards are at risk to be harmed by a convicted murderer. A man if he's quick and strong enough can grab a guard by the head and snap his neck like a twig thereby killing him instantly. You can't trust a man to never kill again once he has proven to have the capability to kill a human being without thought or remorse.

Yizuman

mike047

HI YIZ, Obviously we are not and will not be on the same page.

I disagree with your way of reasoning about LIFE. I disagree with a lot of people about a lot of things.

Oh, well.

mike

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