Who Created Jehovah (Yahweh)?

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  • Satanus
    Satanus

    night

    Why would the jewish nation feel inferior in that day and age

    To begin with, they felt inferior because thay had no king. Thus they demanded one, so they could be like their neighbors. Concerning this king and his residence, here is a quote:

    Saul's kingdom was primitive by the later standards of David and especially Solomon. The principle building at Gibeah, from Saul's era, with massive stone construction and eep walls, "was like a dungeon rather than a royal residence, in comparison with the Canaanite masonry with whch Solomon later graced Jerusalem." Saul's general cultural background is similarly evaluated by Albright: "...Saul was only a rustic chieftain, as far as architecture and the amenities of life were concerned."

    While modern archeology questions that there ever was a temple of solomon, i will nevertheless use what the bible says about it, for the sake of this discussion. - For more on the nonexistence of solomon's temple, see 'the bible unearthed' by finkelstein.

    Moses and his wandering group had few building, metalurgical or literary skills. Even 500 yrs later, solomon and his people were not themselves able to build a temple for their god. Solomon called in lebanese, pagan, gentiles to help him. In return, solomon paid w agricultural products and 20 jewish cities, complete w their populations.

    1 Kings 5:1 When Hiram king of Tyre heard that Solomon had been anointed king to succeed his father David, he sent his envoys to Solomon, because he had always been on friendly terms with David. 2 Solomon sent back this message to Hiram: 6 "So give orders that cedars of Lebanon be cut for me. My men will work with yours, and I will pay you for your men whatever wages you set. You know that we have no one so skilled in felling timber as the Sidonians."
    1Kings7:13 King Solomon sent to Tyre and brought Huram, [7] 14 whose mother was a widow from the tribe of Naphtali and whose father was a man of Tyre and a craftsman in bronze. Huram was highly skilled and experienced in all kinds of bronze work. He came to King Solomon and did all the work assigned to him.
    1Kings5:10 In this way Hiram kept Solomon supplied with all the cedar and pine logs he wanted, 11 and Solomon gave Hiram twenty thousand cors [1] of wheat as food for his household, in addition to twenty thousand baths [2] , [3] of pressed olive oil. Solomon continued to do this for Hiram year after year. 12 The LORD gave Solomon wisdom, just as he had promised him. There were peaceful relations between Hiram and Solomon, and the two of them made a treaty.
    1Kings9: 10 At the end of twenty years, during which Solomon built these two buildings-the temple of the LORD and the royal palace- 11 King Solomon gave twenty towns in Galilee to Hiram king of Tyre, because Hiram had supplied him with all the cedar and pine and gold he wanted. 12 But when Hiram went from Tyre to see the towns that Solomon had given him, he was not pleased with them.

    As well, solomon used slave labour, forcing non-jews to do the actual work:

    1Kings9: 20 All the people left from the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites (these peoples were not Israelites), 21 that is, their descendants remaining in the land, whom the Israelites could not exterminate [8] -these Solomon conscripted for his slave labor force, as it is to this day. 22 But Solomon did not make slaves of any of the Israelites; they were his fighting men, his government officials, his officers, his captains, and the commanders of his chariots and charioteers. 23 They were also the chief officials in charge of Solomon's projects-550 officials supervising the men who did the work.

    So there you have it. Solomon's temple was built by unclean gentiles.

    Further, the socalled second temple was also built by gentiles, under the supervision of gentile, pagan roman king herod.

    The philistines are depicted in the bible as the most base of all. However, archeology has shown that their culture was more highly developed than israel's, through a comparison of pottery sherds. As well, the philistines had monopoly of the iron trade. What iron israel was able to buy from them, had to be taken back there to be resharpened or repaired.-1 Samuel 19:21 The hittites had already posessed iron tech for at least a century. Saul and his armies, "on the day of battle there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people with Saul and Jonathan; but Saul and Jonathan his son had them." -1 Samuel 13:22 It was through their defeat of the philistines that saul's people acquired iron technology.

    Under king david, israel eventually met the challenges from it's neighbors such as moabites and ammonites, but israel was still nothing compared to the super powers of those times: egypt, assyria, babylon, persia and later rome.

    why do you call yourselfy ( saint ,satan , )

    It's part of my anti superstition therapy.

    try & stop to take aslow long look into the creation around you and brother ,when you know & feel ,life that jehovah god /a creatyor created life ,then you had better pray ,that you never meet him or her for your lack of faith

    I have absolutely no fear of the creator(s) of the earth, who/whatever they may be. I doubt they had much to do w the bible writings and its imagined god.

    were you an ex j.w or have you allways been arebel

    I grew up a jw. Dfd in '96 for questioning. Brother, though you consider that challenging status quos to be rebellion, it's the only way to freedom, IMO. Govts, corps, religions, politicians, doctors; for the most part would like to control the masses, like flocks of sheep. Do you want to continue being one?

    SS

    Edited by - saintsatan on 7 January 2003 12:41:54

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    interesting post ss. These legends probable reflect a thread of historicity. There is in fact every reason to believe that Solomon was like David a mythological King. His name means "peace" and is a literary cue that this charactor was invented or reshaped. David meaning "beloved" is pulled right from the story of how this favored warrior king was beloved of Yaweh. Also the story parallels other nations "golden age" of legendary kings. Golden temples also were the stuff of legend. The divine temple plan of 3 chambers with a Most Holy reserved for high priest is found throughout the Middle East in various ancient cultures. Not unless the rest of these cultures had earlier received the same dream could we say the design was "inspired". Every element from animal sacrifice,circumsision,cherubs(winged bulls),Seraphs(winged,firey serpants),seasonal harvest festivals,sabath,legal code,covenants with patron god on smoking mountains, even the name YHWH were extractions from neighboring tribes and civilizations. Yesterday I learned the eponym Adonai (lord,master) is nothing but the hebrew pronuciation of Adonis(lord, master) the Phoenician-Syrian god whose worshipers were forbidden to eat pork.

    It is time to move on in our lives, and stop raking over coals long dead seeking enlightenment.

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    Taken from the book, SACRED ORIGINS OF PROFOUND THINGS, The Stories Behind the Rites and Rituals of the Worlds Religions, by Charles Panati, 1996

    "JEHOVAH" AS A CORRUPTION OF YAHWEH:
    SIXTEENTH CENTURY C.E.

    "Jehovah is a much later name for God, and a false rendering of Moses' original tongue twister, YHWH.

    The Jewish Masorete scribes, who labored from the sixth to the tenth centuries C.E. to reproduce the correct Hebrew text of their Bible, the Tanakh (which has the same material as the Christian Old Testament but presents it in a slightly different order), combined the unpronounceable YHWH with vowels from two popular old Hebrew terms for God: Adonai and Elohim --- arriving at YeHoWaH, which Renaissance Christians rendered as Jehovah. This form made its way into the King James Bible.

    Had the word "Yahweh" been spoken before Moses heard it on Mount Sinai?

    Linguists tell us that Yahweh was one of many names for a primary pagan "god" known to all the ancient Semitic peoples before the birth of monotheism. The tribe of Levi, to which Moses belonged, knew the word and was aware that it often was voiced in a shortened form as a sacred invocation -- Yo!, or Yah!, or Yahu! -- like a mantra. Curiously, the name of Moses' mother was Jochebed -- or Yokheved -- a word that is derived from Yahweh. Was there an echo of a more ancient matriarchal era in God's spoken name to Moses?"
  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    SS

    I have read the OT thoroughly a number of times but have never before noticed (till you pointed those csriptures out) how inferior, culturally, the Jews were to those nations around them, neither were they ever a mighty world power. Strange fate their God bestows upon his chosen people isnt it? Also Interesting, isnt it, how one man reads the Bible and sees things others do not see.A book that can be endlessly analyzed and interpreted.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Pete

    As well as solomon and david being myths, i was surprised that there is no archeological proof that the solomonic temple existed. Present remains and the ruins excavated by the templars were all of the temple built by herod. It was completed about 100 yrs bc.

    Dakota

    Strange indeed, about moses' mother's name when god said to moses, "I am Jehovah. And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them." (Ex 6:2, 3) NW

    Refiner

    Most bible students are in the rut where they don't know of cultures surrounding the bible's development, except what their controlers have fed them. In my own reflection and re-reflections, i continue to find old rubbish that needs clearing.

    SS

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