I'm with Preacher on this one. Taking things out of context is one of the worst traits found among J.W.s. By taking things out of context, you can make the bible say anything you want to.
Jesus Chastises Pharisees for not Killing Children
by Faraon 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Kingpawn
No, He was criticizing the Pharisees for teaching people something that directly contradicted Scripture. They said if you'd promised something as a gift to God you couldn't give it to your parents instead. On the face of it, it makes sense, but on that issue God hadn't said "I always come first." So they were teaching the people to sin. And he called them out on it.
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Faraon
OK,
Let's see the whole context.
Mark 7
1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God , ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God , that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 for Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
What are the Pharisees rejecting?
THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD.
What do they want to keep?
TRADITION
What is the commandment of Jehovah?
TO KILL THOSE WHO CURSE THEIR PARENTS.
Why is little J chastising the Pharisees? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENTS OF HONORING YOUR PARENTS AND KILLING THEIR CHILDREN IF THEY CURSE THEM. (A holy commandment from big J himself. If this was a commandment, Little J was guilty of it when he was rude to Mary in many occasions and denied her motherhood).
Why was little J angry? BECAUSE THEY TOLD HIM HE AND HIS DISCIPLES SHOULD WASH THEIR HANDS, AN OBVIOUS BAD TRADITION. Maybe you would want to follow his perfect example and don't wash your hands.
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11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
So if a person eats shit, its does not defile him?
Call it Hygiene, or whatever. It shows little J knew nothing about germs.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Another example of "GOD'S" understanding of the human body. Just like the JW's thought that you would become evil if you had a heart transplant from an evil person.
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.
25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Yeah, God implies that the Goyim (non-Jews) are dogs! Such a love, such an example to follow!
28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.
31 And again, departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, he came unto the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis.
32 And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech; and they beseech him to put his hand upon him.
33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;
34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened.
Yessss Sssir, a little bit of showmanship touching his ears, spitting, and touching his tongue does the trick. It puzzles me how could he hear if he was deaf.
35 And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.
36 And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it;
37 And were beyond measure astonished, saying, He hath done all things well: he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak.
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UnDisfellowshipped
Check out these Verses:
Matthew 5:21: "You have heard that it was said to the ancient ones, 'You shall not murder;' and 'Whoever shall murder shall be in danger of the judgment.'
Matthew 5:22: But I tell you, that everyone who is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca!' (which means "You Worthless One!") shall be in danger of the council; and whoever shall say, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of the fire of Gehenna.Jesus said that this applies to EVERYONE, not just a child to their parents, it would apply the opposite way too.
However, in John Chapter 8, Jesus said that the only people who are qualified to stone other people are people without sin.
But, in Romans Chapter 13, it says that the Governments of the World are the ones who now have authority to punish evil-doers.
Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 18 November 2002 1:17:38
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UnDisfellowshipped
Faraon said:
So if a person eats shit, its does not defile him?
Call it Hygiene, or whatever. It shows little J knew nothing about germs.
First of all, Jesus was not talking about germs or physical health at all. He was saying that no matter what you eat (yes, even "shit" or Blood), that would not defile a person SPIRITUALLY.
Another example of "GOD'S" understanding of the human body. Just like the JW's thought that you would become evil if you had a heart transplant from an evil person.
In the Bible, the word "Heart" is used figuratively for a person's Feelings and Thoughts. Is that so hard to understand? Jesus was not talking about a person's literal heart.
Yeah, God implies that the Goyim (non-Jews) are dogs! Such a love, such an example to follow!
The Greek Word for "dog" in those Verses means Puppy Dog. So, it doesn't seem like such a mean statement to me. It seems kind of like calling people "Silent Lambs".
It puzzles me how could he hear if he was deaf.
Well, it puzzles you because you obviously do not believe in Miracles, or in Jesus.