Well, "hey there" to you, too, Daddy-O!
I don't "discern" shit anymore. I quit doing that when I left the dubs.
Sure you do... you just forgot what the word meant, because you dismissed it along with several others that they misuse. Let me help you out:
dis-cern - 1. to separate (a thing) mental from another or others; recognize as separate or different 2. to perceive or recognize; make out clearly - vi. to perceive or recognize the difference... yada, yada, yada...
The problem is that when THEY use it, they give you some melarkey that they made up, that has NO scriptural or other valid support but in FACT goes to the opposite of what is "written", either in the scriptures or in the gospels/letters.. For example, "discerning" World War I as being the "sign" of the "end of the Gentile Times," when in FACT both "wars" and "signs" were warned of to be discerned quite differently by my Lord -
Matthew 12:39; 24:6
If the verse is right, it's right. If it's not, it's not. Nothing to "discern."
Ummm... one must "discern" just what it IS that is "right", yes? And what it applies to?
If God wants us to "discern" stuff, then he is playing games with his holy books and us.
Oh, come on, Daddy-O, I KNOW you're smarter than that! WIth ANY book that one reads one must discern the author's message. True, there are some books out there that are "simple", per se, in that there is no metaphor, inuendo, no possible "other" meanings. What my Lord has given you and I to understand with reference to these verses is also quite simple. However, IF he had dictated it in any simpler terms, can you say that you would be any more inclined to lend your ears to HEAR? I dare say you would not. Why? Because the "hearing" starts with your HEART... and you got something going on in there that keeps getting in the way. REMOVE it, dear one... and you won't NEED him to say "discern" this or that... for you will discern it readily.
BTW, that's WatchtowerSpeak. I don't like that, either.
No, such words/phrases as "Gentile Times," and "great crowd", and "Theocratic," and "governing body", and "field service," and "ministry school," and "1914," and "Armageddon"... are WTSpeak. Words and phrases that THEY'VE coined... and push as being from or approved by God. But my Lord himself is recorded to have encouraged his disciples to discern (or recognize mentally) what he was saying to them at a given time. He even said at one point that the reason he DID it, is because it was not FOR all to get.
But those who "hear"... those who "get it"... are those whose HEARTS... are "receptive", dearest Daddy-O! Receptive to what? To what he said/says! For example, he said that if you want to be PERFECT... you must LOVE... even your enemy! Most folks, however, don't WANT to do that! He also said that if you know your brother has something against YOU, go... make peace with your brother! Most folks don't want to DO that! He said that if you see someone in need (for example, the hungry crowd of 5,000)... YOU feed them. However, most folks don't want to do that. And we CERTAINLY see this lack of "want" prevalent among the practices of JWs, with regard to LOVING their enemy, making peace with those who have something against them (think Silentlambs), and feeding the hungry, literally... as well as spiritually. He indeed told Peter to "feed my sheep", but he ALSO told Peter... and the others... when that crowd of 5,000 were hungry... "YOU give them something to eat!"
I hear, dear Daddy-O... NOT because I am perfect (oh NO! Trust me!)... but because my HEART... is "receptive": he tells me to do such and so... or say such and so... and I do/say it. For example, he told me to visit a brother, Israel, for a reason, yes? I could have said, "Am I my brother's keeper?" But, I heard... and I obeyed. Thus, just as it is recorded, "For whoever HAS... (a receptive heart and thus, ears to hear... and thus, HEARS), MORE will be given!
If "fruits" of the spirit that are PLANTED in such one, Daddy-O (remember, JAH is a cultivator!)... GROW... they EXPAND the heart... thus allowing ROOM... in the HEART... for MORE fruits to be planted... and grow... so that MORE... can be 'given'... and/or planted/sown.
Thus, God, though Christ will PREPARE our hearts for such sowing... IF WE WANT IT... and IF we want to RECEIVE (be 'receptive') to what is to be sown there... LOVE... for ALL... and RECEIVE "water"... holy spirit... in order for it to GROW. But... if there are weeds there... that are there because we WANT them to be there... they can choke out the good fruit. Thus, whatever is in our hearts that choke the "fruits" of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, mildness, kindness, goodness, faith, long-suffering and self-control), we have to "weed" out... and if we can't, at least let God, through Christ, do so.
Where do we come in? In WANTING it... and being TRUTHFUL when we say, "Teach me to do YOUR will, O JAH."
Psalm 40:8; Psalm 143:10
We're just always SO afraid that HIS will... is not the same as our own... that we refrain from even asking. However, JAH... is merciful... so that when there ARE times when our own will is what we want/need, it CAN be "granted". True, it may be to our detriment, but it may also not be. Depends on what kind of heart WE have... as to what we ask for... and why.
Matthew 14:13, 14
Farkel - Doesn't "Discern" Shit Class
Okay, then, maybe you don't. But... it doesn't HAVE to be that way. The "choice"... is truly yours.
I bid you the greatest of love and peace, dear D.
Your servant (as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel), and "friend",
Edited by - AGuest on 27 October 2002 11:6:32