Tell Me More About 1975

by Diner 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • Diner
    Diner

    Farkel, All my JW peers tell me exactly what you wrote regarding 1975, that everything they say are lies. I'm trying to believe it, but it's hard, because they (the Christians) seem to be able to provide hardfacts like WT publications. I know it's controversial to look into such past but I have to "test the prophets" as much as I'm apprehensive about what I may find. I'm not trying to prove anything, I just want to know the whole deal about that year after all it's all part of JW. Even if Franz is proven wrong, I'm sure there are reasons. What about you?

    Non-JWs please, need not respond.

    Thanks

  • larc
    larc

    Diner,

    I think that the quotes provided here pretty much give you the "whole deal" as you termed it. Now, it is pretty much up to you what you want to do about it.

    By the way, the quotes are very similiar to the ones made before and after 1925. These can be provided upon request.

  • zev
    zev

    Fine...
    I was/am still "in" and was in 75. I was a young lad then...But the information provided to you is sound. MANY were misled, and left. I was not one of them to be misled then, however, when you concider all the prophesys they [the g.b.] have made and predictions, it leaves you holding the bag and wondering what the real truth is. I realize they are only human, and subject to mistakes. But dammit, they have a responsiblility before god, even according to them, to lead the sheep. And where are they leading them? Off the cliffs. A close examination of the wtbts teachings and philosephys leads a common folk even like me to begin to wonder what I am really doing in this organization. They are taking 6 million lives with them, and are you to be one of them? To follow because they "say" they are directed by God, and his holy spirit? Take another look, please. Do some half @$$ed research and you can plainly see that there is a major problem here. If you look at the w.t. and take it as is, and do nothing else, than it all sounds so nice doesn't it? Take some time to look a tad deeper my friend. I don't have all the answers, and I dont even know where I will go from here...but belief in God and his son and the bible are rock solid. Believe in "man" and follow "man" [man=g.b.=wtbts] and you might as well stick a ring in your nose for them to lead you off. And where will they lead you?

    There...you wanted a j.w.'s opinion, you got one. Hows that?

    __
    zev
    Sitting on the Wrong Side of the Fence Class

  • stephenw20
    stephenw20

    "Farkel, All my JW peers tell me exactly what you wrote regarding 1975, that everything they say are lies. I'm trying to believe it, but it's hard, because they (the Christians) seem to be able to provide hardfacts like WT publications"

    In case it was hard to understand the first time
    http://www.freeminds.org/history/list.htm

    this is a list of QUOTES from Watchtower publications:
    enough said

    if you need help decifering this .......print it out and go to the WTBTS office and ask them if they wrote these things..........

  • JT
    JT

    Diner

    You may want to save this info for your archieves- but this along with all the talks created that False HOPE - i was there my mom cried when she found out she was going to have my brother in 1974 WOE TO THE PREGNANT WOMAN was what she was told from the platform and directly by a sister that it was going to be hard running with that baby

    my mom cried so i don't need no active JW trying to tell me some BullSh!t i was there I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    TODAY MY BRO 27 AND HAS HAS A 4 YR OLD HIMSELF
    ***************
    Statements Concerning 1975
    --------------------------

    By the mid-1960s the Society had apparently forgotten much of what it had
    learned about setting dates. The book Life Everlasting in Freedom of the
    Sons of God, 1966, said on pages 26-30:

    The time is fast drawing near for the reality that was foreshadowed by
    the Jubilee of liberty to be proclaimed throughout the earth to all
    mankind.... Most certainly the near future would be the most appropriate
    time for it. God's own written Word indicates that it is the appointed
    time for it.... In this twentieth century an independent study has been
    carried on that does not blindly follow some traditional chronological
    calculations of Christendom, and the published timetable resulting from
    this independent study gives the date of man's creation as 4026 B.C.E.
    According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from
    man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand
    years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E..... So in not
    many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God
    could view as the seventh day of man's existence.

    How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming
    seventh period of a thousand years a sabbath period of rest and release,
    a great Jubilee sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the
    earth to all its inhabitants! This would be most timely for mankind.
    It would also be most fitting on God's part, for, remember, mankind has
    yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the
    reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial
    reign of Christ.... It would not be by mere chance or accident but
    would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of
    Jesus Christ, the "Lord of the sabbath," to run parallel with the
    seventh millennium of man's existence.

    Although the writer had not said flat out that 1975 would see the start of
    the millennium, he certainly intimated it. It would seem reasonable that if
    he said that it was "fitting" for God to do certain things, then he must
    have a good measure of certainty. If he was not certain then he was
    presumptuous. By saying "it would be according to the loving purpose of
    God" that the two millennia would coincide, does he not assure the reader
    of its certainty? Especially since all the suggestions of the "faithful and
    discreet slave" are to be accorded great weight?

    The October 8, 1966 Awake! carried an article entitled "How Much Longer
    Will It Be?" and under the subheading "6,000 Years Completed in 1975," it
    too reasoned that the millennium would be the last 1000 years of a
    7000-year rest day of God. Abandoning some of the caution shown in the
    above it said on page 19-20:

    Hence, the fact that we are nearing the end of the first 6,000 years of
    man's existence is of great significance.

    Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his
    creation? Apparently so. From the most reliable investigations of
    Bible chronology, harmonizing with many accepted dates of secular
    history, we find that Adam was created in the autumn of the year 4026
    B.C.E. Sometime in that year Eve could well have been created, directly
    after which God's rest day commenced. In what year, then, would the
    first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of
    God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. This is worthy of notice,
    particularly in view of the fact that the "last days" began in 1914, and
    that the physical facts of our day in fulfillment of prophecy mark this
    as the last generation of this wicked world. So we can expect the
    immediate future to be filled with thrilling events for those who rest
    their faith in God and his promises. It means that within relatively
    few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies
    that have to do with the "time of the end."

    I can remember being electrified, as a teenager, by the announcement to the
    congregation in 1968, by a visiting circuit servant, that there were only
    88 months left before the end of 6000 years of human history. "Brothers,
    do you know what that means?" he warned.

    The May 1, 1968 Watchtower continued this stimulation of anticipation.
    Using much the same argument as the above article, it said on page 272:

    The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for
    this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most
    the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these "last days" will
    undergo fulfillment, resulting in the liberation of surviving mankind
    into Christ's glorious 1,000-year reign. What difficult days, but, at
    the same time, what grand days are just ahead!

    Similarly, the October 8, 1968 Awake!, on page 13, emphasized the shortness
    of the time:

    The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have
    already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years,
    at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth
    is destroyed by God.

    In 1992, twenty four years later, we may ask, What does the phrase "the
    immediate future" mean? How many years are "a few years at most"?

    The Watchtower, August 15, 1968, spoke at length about the significance of
    1975 on pages 488-501. In the article "The Book of Truthful Historical
    Dates" it said on page 488:

    Do we know that the seventh year from now will conclude the 6,000th year
    since Adam was created? And if we live to that year 1975, what should
    we expect to happen?

    In this Watchtower, the article "Why Are You Looking Forward To 1975?"
    raised a good deal of anticipation when it said on page 494:

    What about all this talk concerning the year 1975? Lively discussions,
    some based on speculation, have burst into flame during recent months
    among serious students of the Bible. [which students, and who started
    the fire?] Their interest has been kindled by the belief that 1975 will
    mark the end of 6,000 years of human history since Adam's creation. The
    nearness of such an important date indeed fires the imagination and
    presents unlimited possibilities for discussion.

    .... of what benefit is this information to us today?.... why should we
    be any more interested in the date of Adam's creation than in the birth
    of King Tut?.... in the fall of the year 1975, a little over seven
    years from now.... it will be 6,000 years since the creation of Adam.

    Note the sense of urgency, and the implication that 6000 years is a figure
    of special significance. Continuing on page 499:

    Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be
    all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year
    reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how
    closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides
    with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two
    periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will
    not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah's
    loving and timely purposes. [What can we say of this from the
    perspective of 1992?] Our chronology, however, which is reasonably
    accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the
    autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man's existence on earth.
    It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000
    years of Jehovah's seventh creative "day." Why not? Because after his
    creation Adam lived some time during the "sixth day," which unknown
    amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam's 930 years, to
    determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or "day" ended, and
    how long Adam lived into the "seventh day." And yet the end of that
    sixth creative "day" could end within the same Gregorian calendar year
    of Adam's creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or
    months, not years.

    Note how this reasoning produces a sense of urgency in the reader. It also
    ignores the express statement in Genesis 2:23 "This is at last bone of my
    bones and flesh of my flesh." Why would the Bible use the term "at last" if
    only a short period of less than one year were involved? The Society is
    well aware of this; Fred Franz did most of the translating of the Hebrew
    Scriptures and he wrote Life Everlasting In Freedom of the Sons of God, in
    which this reckoning was first emphasized. Also, there is no scriptural
    justification for requiring that Eve's creation marked the end of the sixth
    creative day. There is plenty of room for extra time, as the events since
    1975 have borne out.

    Actually there is no scriptural justification whatsoever for Fred Franz's
    continual strong emphasis that the 6000 or 7000 year figures mean anything
    at all. C. T. Russell placed the acceptance of the 6000 year prophetic
    scheme in proper perspective when he wrote, in The Time Is At Hand, 1889,
    page 39:

    And though the Bible contains no direct statement that the seventh
    thousand will be the epoch of Christ's reign, the great Sabbath Day of
    restitution to the world, yet the venerable tradition is not without
    reasonable foundation.

    One of the people Russell got many ideas from was a Lutheran minister from
    Philadelphia named Joseph A. Seiss. For many years Seiss was the editor of
    a magazine called The Prophetic Times. In the January, 1870 issue, Vol.
    VIII No. 1, pages 12-3, Seiss discussed his ideas on Bible chronology,
    giving figures that he said were evidence that "1870 brings us to the
    commencement of the Seventh Thousand of the years since the present world
    began." In contrast with Barbour and Russell, Seiss was not dogmatic about
    these figures: "We lay no great stress upon the arithmetic of prophecy;
    because the starting-points, as well as many of the integers of the
    calculations, lack in certainty."

    As for the "Great Sabbath Day" tradition, he wrote:

    It has been a very old, and a very widely accredited theory, that the
    world, of which Adam was the beginning, is to continue 6000 years in its
    secular, ailing and toiling condition; and that the seventh thousand is
    to be one of glorious sabbatic rest, ushered in by the winding up of
    this present age or dispensation.

    The idea is indeed a venerable tradition. It may ultimately be based on an
    old tradition that the seventh creative day of Genesis is itself 7000 years
    long, and that the Messiah would reign during the final 1000 years of it. A
    very early source, quite possibly 1st century A.D., is the New Testament
    apocryphal book called "The Epistle of Barnabas." There exist a number of
    early Christian writings sometimes referred to as the apocrypha of the New
    Testament, which were at one time or another considered for membership in
    the New Testament canon. From the 1979 reprint of a 1926 English
    translation of these, called The Lost Books of the Bible, here are the
    relevant passages:

    Furthermore it is written concerning the sabbath, in the Ten
    Commandments, which God spake in the Mount Sinai to Moses, face to face;
    Sanctify the sabbath of the Lord with pure hands, and with a clean
    heart. And elsewhere he saith; If thy children shall keep my sabbaths,
    then will I put my mercy upon them. And even in the beginning of the
    creation he makes mention of the sabbath. And God made in six days the
    works of his hands; and he finished them on the seventh day, and he
    rested the seventh day, and sanctified it.

    Consider, my children, what that signifies, he finished them in six
    days. The meaning of it is this; that in six thousand years the Lord
    God will bring all things to an end. For with him one day is a thousand
    years; as himself testifieth, saying, Behold this day shall be as a
    thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is, in six
    thousand years, shall all things be accomplished. And what is that he
    saith, And he rested the seventh day: he meaneth this; that when his Son
    shall come, and abolish the season of the Wicked One, and judge the
    ungodly; and shall change the sun and the moon, and the stars; then he
    shall gloriously rest in that seventh day. [The Lost Books of the
    Bible, p. 160-2; Chap. 13, The Epistle of Barnabas]

    I wrote a letter to the Society in the early 1970s, expressing my
    misgivings about the 6000 and 7000 years as exact numbers. Their reply
    said, essentially, that rounding off the numbers is an assumption, i.e.,
    since we are near the 6000 year mark already, and the end is so close, the
    round number 6000 looks awfully nice.

    Another point is that if 6000 years, as an exact number, has any meaning,
    and if Jesus was actually the one through whom God created everything else,
    and if angels were witnesses to all that creative activity, as Job 38:7
    seems to indicate, then Jesus and the angels would have been able to figure
    out when the final end of the world would come. But Jesus said explicitly:
    "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the
    heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Therefore the 6000 year round
    number assumption must be incorrect.

    Ignoring these considerations, the August 13, 1968 Watchtower article
    continues, on page 500:

    This time between Adam's creation and the beginning of the seventh day,
    the day of rest, let it be noted, need not have been a long time. It
    could have been a rather short one. The naming of the animals by Adam,
    and his discovery that there was no complement for himself, required no
    great length of time.

    Note how definite the writer is on this point, producing a sense of
    urgency. Continuing on pages 500-501:

    One thing is absolutely certain, Bible chronology reinforced with
    fulfilled Bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of man's
    existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation! (Matt. 24:34)
    This is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent.

    The article even implies that one should be careful about putting too much
    weight on Jesus' own cautionary words:

    This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that
    "concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the
    heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." To the contrary, it is a time
    when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is
    rapidly coming to its violent end. Make no mistake, it is sufficient
    that the Father himself knows both the "day and hour."

    The article even justifies producing a sense of urgency:

    There was a ring of alarm and a cry of urgency in all their [the
    apostles] writings.... And rightly so. If they had delayed or
    dilly-dallied and had been complacent with the idea the end was was some
    thousands of years off they would never have finished running the race
    set before them.

    As if the apostles needed to be kept in the dark or they would have slacked
    off. This speaks volumes as to the Society's attitude toward those in its
    care.

    The Watchtower, May 1, 1968, abandoned all caution when it said on page
    271, paragraph 4:

    Thus, Adam's naming of the animals and his realizing that he needed a
    counterpart would have occupied only a brief time after his creation.
    Since it was also Jehovah's purpose for man to multiply and fill the
    earth, it is logical that he would create Eve soon after Adam, perhaps
    just a few weeks or months later in the same year, 4026 B.C.E. After
    her creation, God's rest day, the seventh period, immediately followed.

    The study question for this paragraph then asked, "When were Adam and Eve
    created?" Paragraphs 5 and 6 then said:

    After [Eve's] creation, God's rest day, the seventh period, immediately
    followed. Therefore, God's seventh day and the time man has been on
    earth apparently run parallel. To calculate where man is in the stream
    of time relative to God's seventh day of 7,000 years, we need to
    determine how long a time has elapsed from the year of Adam and Eve's
    creation in 4026 B.C.E.....

    The seventh day of the Jewish week, the sabbath, would well picture the
    final 1,000-year reign of God's kingdom under Christ when mankind would
    be uplifted from 6,000 years of sin and death. (Rev. 20:6) Hence, when
    Christians note from God's timetable the approaching end of 6,000 years
    of human history, it fills them with anticipation. Particularly is this
    true because the great sign of the "last days" has been in the course of
    fulfillment since the beginning of the "time of the end" in 1914.

    Compare this with what Russell had said in The Time Is At Hand (see above)
    -- the idea the sabbath day pictures the 7th 1000 year period was a
    venerable tradition even in his day.

    The Watchtower article added a cautionary note on page 272:

    Does this mean that the year 1975 will bring the battle of Armageddon?
    No one can say with certainty what any particular year will bring.

    However, this cautionary note was bound to be lost in view of the strong
    previous statements. That some Watchtower writers lost their caution is
    further emphasized by the statement in the October 8, 1968 Watchtower,
    which said on page 14:

    According to reliable Bible chronology Adam and Eve were created in 4026
    B.C.E.

    The 1969 book Aid to Bible Understanding indicated that Adam and Eve were
    created in the same year. On page 333, under the subject "Chronology," it
    showed the time from Adam's creation to the birth of Seth as 130 years, and
    on page 538, under the subject "Eve," it said that at the age of 130 Eve
    gave birth to Seth.

    The 1969 booklet The Approaching Peace of a Thousand Years was also quite
    definite about 1975. On pages 25-26 it said:

    More recently earnest researchers of the Holy Bible have made a recheck
    of its chronology. According to their calculations the six millenniums
    of mankind's life on earth would end in the mid-seventies. Thus the
    seventh millennium from man's creation by Jehovah God would begin within
    less than ten years....

    In order for the Lord Jesus Christ to be "Lord even of the sabbath day,"
    his thousand-year reign would have to be the seventh in a series of
    thousand-year periods or millenniums.

    The above material is remarkably similar in spirit to the admittedly
    asinine claims made by J. F. Rutherford in Millions Now Living Will Never
    Die.

    Some emphatic statements about 1975 came from the Kingdom Ministry. The
    March, 1968 issue urged getting into pioneer service, saying:

    In view of the short period of time left, we want to do this as often as
    circumstances permit. Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety
    months left before 6,000 years of man's existence on earth is completed.

    The Kingdom Ministry of June 1969 mentioned approvingly that some were
    turning down scholarships and employment in the spirit of increased
    service.

    The May, 1974 Kingdom Ministry, having referred to the "short time left,"
    said:

    Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and
    planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the
    pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time
    remaining before the wicked world's end.

    I know a number of Witnesses who were married during the early 1970s, and
    have since expressed their amazement at having had their children grow to
    the same age they were when they were married.

    The Watchtower, May 1, 1975, said of a Watchtower Bible School of Gilead
    graduation held on March 2, 1975:

    Another speaker, F. W. Franz, the Society's vice-president, forcefully
    impressed on the audience the urgency of the Christian preaching work.
    He stressed that, according to dependable Bible chronology, 6,000 years
    of human history will end this coming September according to the lunar
    calendar. This coincides with a time when "the human species [is] about
    to starve itself to death," as well as its being faced with poisoning by
    pollution and destruction by nuclear weapons. Franz added: "There's no
    basis for believing that mankind, faced with what it now faces, can
    exist for the seventh thousand-year period" under the present system of
    things.

    Does this mean that we know exactly when God will destroy this old
    system and establish a new one? Franz showed that we do not, for we do
    not know how short was the time interval between Adam's creation and the
    creation of Eve, at which point God's rest day of seven thousand years
    began. (Heb. 4:3,4) But, he pointed out, "we should not think that
    this year of 1975 is of no significance to us," for the Bible proves
    that Jehovah is "the greatest chronologist" and "we have the anchor
    date, 1914, marking the end of the Gentile Times." So, he continued,
    "we are filled with anticipation for the near future, for our
    generation."

    If this is not building anticipation without quite saying specifically what
    the anticipation should be based on, I don't know what is.

    The Society was even more direct in its private communications with its own
    officials. The following excerpt is taken from a letter from the Society
    to a district overseer Lester Duggan, apparently sometime in 1975, in
    answer to a question regarding the subheading on page 51 in the "Eternal
    Purpose" book.

    While the beginning of the "seventh day" is admittedly tentative, the
    end of the six thousand years of man's history in the fall of 1975 is
    not tentative, but is accepted as a certain date. So in good faith and
    with right motive to enhance Bible education, the date 1975 has been
    presented with confidence, as one of considerable significance. While
    some outsiders have come to be quick in denouncing the Society, yet we
    calmly wait for the completion of this Biblical year of 1975, as we
    continue to strengthen ourselves spiritually. From Jehovah's viewpoint
    and his eternal purpose for the earth, the completion of six thousand
    years of man's residence on this earth is bound to be important.

    Even the year texts for the early 1970s reflected the sense of urgency the
    Society was building.

    1974: "Although the fig tree itself may not blossom,.... I will exult
    in Jehovah himself." -- Hab. 3:17, 18.

    1975: "I will say to Jehovah: 'You are my refuge and my stronghold'"
    -- Ps. 91:2

    By early 1976 it had become evident that the Society's expectations for
    1975 would not be realized, just as they had not been for 1914 and 1925.
    Did the Society follow the excellent example of Bible writers and own up to
    the error? Did it show show same candor as the Bible writers? No. Instead
    it followed exactly the same course J. F. Rutherford had followed after the
    1925 failure, and blamed the disappointment on Jehovah's Witnesses
    themselves. The July 15, 1976 Watchtower, on page 441, approached the
    problem sideways. Without actually mentioning 1975 it said:

    .... it is not advisable for us to set our sights on a certain date,
    neglecting everyday things we would ordinarily care for as Christians,
    such as things that we and our families really need. We may be
    forgetting that, when the "day" comes, it will not change the principle
    that Christians must at all times take care of all their
    responsibilities. If anyone has been disappointed through not following
    this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his
    viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or
    deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding
    was based on wrong premises.

    How cynical can you get? Who was it that provided the "wrong premises"?
    Did each one of Jehovah's Witnesses, individually, conclude that 1975 was
    to be the end of 6000 years of human history, that "we should not think
    that this year of 1975 is of no significance to us," that "according to
    reliable Bible chronology Adam and Eve were created in 4026 B.C.E.," that
    "the seventh millennium from man's creation by Jehovah God would begin
    within less than ten years," that Jesus' "thousand-year reign would have to
    be the seventh in a series of thousand-year periods or millenniums," and
    that "God's seventh day and the time man has been on earth apparently run
    parallel"? I know I never thought of such things on my own. Nor would I
    have been permitted to express or act on them if I had.

    By 1979 it became evident that the 1975 failure had produced a serious
    credibility gap. Even worse, the years 1977 and 1978 had shown a drop in
    the worldwide number of publishers for the first time in decades. So in
    early 1980 the Society finally admitted it had been wrong, that it had had
    at least some part in building up the false hopes for 1975.

    The March 15, 1980 Watchtower article "Choosing the Best Way of Life"
    contains, on page 17, the acknowledgment that the Society misled people by
    its promotion of the 1975 date. That it came at all is surprising; I
    remember my own reaction upon reading it when it first came out. That it
    came more than four years after the failure of the 1975 prediction became
    evident is inexcusable. The article said:

    In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to
    attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering
    and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the
    appearance of the book Life Everlasting -- in Freedom of the Sons of
    God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the
    millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's
    existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975.
    There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was
    only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary
    information, there were other statements published that implied that
    such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a
    mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements
    apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup
    of the expectation already initiated.

    In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the
    inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: "If
    anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought,
    he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was
    not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought
    disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong
    premises." In saying "anyone," The Watchtower included all disappointed
    ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with
    the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of
    hopes centered on that date.

    Note how even this admission is buried in an article about something else,
    "choosing the best way of life." It does not candidly admit that the
    Society had some responsibility for what happened. Rather, it uses the
    passive voice to shift responsibility into outer space: "it is to be
    regretted" that these things happened. Again, how cynical!

    As for the fact that the statements of urgency overshadowed the cautionary
    ones, was that not the intention from the very start? Why else would such
    information be emphasized? What other result could possibly have been
    expected? Especially since the Society has published many statements on
    how it expects Jehovah's Witnesses to view what it publishes, such as:

    Do we truly appreciate how Jehovah is directing his visible
    organization?

    When we appreciatively accept the spiritual provisions that come through
    the "slave" class and its Governing body, for whom are we showing
    respect?

    Their duties include receiving and passing on to all of Jehovah's
    earthly servants spiritual food at the proper time.

    How vital it is for everyone in God's family to submit loyally to the
    teachings and arrangements of the Great Theocrat, Jehovah, and his
    King-Son, Christ Jesus, as transmitted through the "faithful slave" on
    earth!

    The Society did candidly acknowledge some responsibility for the hopes it
    raised by the 1975 prediction, but it was not for general public
    consumption. The 1980 Yearbook, on pages 30-31, spoke of a talk given at
    the 1979 conventions, called by the title of the above Watchtower article,
    "Choosing the Best Way of Life." The talk acknowledged the Society's
    responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975.

    Today, all the decade-long buildup of hopes centered on 1975 is discounted
    as being of any particular importance. Many people who became Jehovah's
    Witnesses since 1975 have little idea of the sense of urgency that was in
    the air. The essence of Russell's words in 1916 is again expressed by the
    organization: It "certainly did have a very stimulating and sanctifying
    effect upon thousands, all of whom can praise the Lord -- even for the
    mistake.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Diner,

    After this mountain-load of information, do you see the evidence of opportunism and manipulation by the trusted leaders of the Society?

    Just wondering. Because it's still the same basic leadership that six million people are trusting now.

  • trevor
    trevor

    Stephenw20,

    I am impressed by your profile on 1975. I too like many others have put together
    a record of the 1975 scandel. Though mine is not as comprehensive as yours I am
    amazed by the similarity of layout, quotes and connecting thoughts. At times I thought
    you had got hold of my notes.

    I think others who read your work will feel the same surprise at the way those who have
    been there, all come to an identical conclusion. It shows that there is only one truthful
    and honest conclusion to be arrived at. The word 'scam' comes to mind.

    Thanks for your effort.

    Trevor

  • stephenw20
    stephenw20

    Trevor, i cant take credit for those compilations, though I apprecaite the person or persoms that did...they are on the freeminds site.....

    diner the six million doesnt include childrennnnnnnnnnnn

    this is worse the the holocaust!

    s

  • DevilsAdvocate_DA
    DevilsAdvocate_DA

    Diner this is DevilsAdvocate_DA

    I would like to say of all the comments that were given you, I as an oldtimer in this organization, believe that Zev has given you some fine advice. Especially what I have underlined. I have taken the liberty to edit his/her thoughts just a bit.

    Take some time to look a tad deeper my friend. I don't have all the answers, and I dont even know where I will go from here...but belief in Jehovah God, his son Jesus Christ and the Bible (as a whole) are rock solid. Believe in "man" and follow "man" [man=g.b.=wtbts] and you might as well stick a ring in your nose for them to lead you off. And where will they lead you?

    Diner, your first alligence is to the one's ZEV stated -- Jehovah and Jesus. True they are using the organization WBTS to accomplish their aims. But, just like Isarael of old, whom Jehovah used, in time their haughty heads got in their way. Jehovah took action to remove them from his service after their usefulness was need no more. C.E. 70. What Jehovah will do with these haughty men and women (sometime when you are behind the lock doors you come to find out that what come out of GB's mouths is the words of their wives) neither you or I nor anyone else on this board knows what He has in store ( You need to read YouKnows last post over on H20). All I do is sit and wait, sit and wait -- just as they are doing ---- watching the human family as we put on a show.

    1975 was a very hard year for me. I never did believe what was being said. At the time my wife and I had many Bible studies. In fact at one Circuit Assembly of the thirteen person baptized twelve were ones we studied with. The hard time was, the constant effort my wife and I had in down playing the 1975 hysteria. Believe me it was there. But not for us. We could find no Bibical proof for such statements. So we would not let it enter our minds as a safe guard. There were plenty other good things to talk about. Happy to say, all the ones we studied with are still hanging in. The same with the one we have studied with after the 1975 period. We stress getting to know Jehovah, Jesus Christ, God Word the Bible, and individuals in the organization that are compatable with them, but be friendly with all, just like we do with a clerk or cashier as the locate grocery store.

    Diner, I could go on and type twenty or fifty pages on this subject, but of what value, crying over spilled milk is a waste of time, plus it only adds to the waste I caused in the first place. Let it go. Move on with whatever life style you personally want to make you happy. Leave things in Jehovah Gods and Jesus Christ hands and have a life based on Gal. 5:22-23, if you want.

    DA

  • Latte
    Latte

    DevilsAdvocate_DA,

    ****Happy to say, all the ones we studied with are still hanging in.****

    Sorry, to have to ask, but what do you mean by this?

    Latte

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