The long awaited Dossier on Iraq UK Position

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  • kelsey007
    kelsey007

    Facts:

    1. Iraq could attack neighboring countries with a 45 preprare time.

    2. Iraq's attack capability is about 200 miles.

    3. Iraq poses no clear and present danger to the US turf.

    4. The root of terrorism is in Saudi Arabia

    5. Oil hinders the US ability to effectviely fight the war on terror.

    6. Sadam is and should be a UN concern- he is a personal concern of the Bush family.

    7. Ousting Sadam will not make any great headway in our war on terror.

    8. The terrorist cells are established worldwide and US authorities still believe that such cells exist in the US.

    9. The 9-11 attacks came from within the US by men that were allowed legally into the US.

    10. None of the monies that funded the 9-11 attacks are traceable to Iraq.

    11. bin Laden and his money came from Saudi arabia

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Ah, but you forget that the range of his missles is being extended to 600miles and that he is working on nukes! Put those together and you have problems........

    Kelsey, I propose a solution.

    We let Saddam invade Saudi Arabia and then we attack, that way we get rid of two birds with one stone.

  • kelsey007
    kelsey007

    Crazydrinker you should propose that - then we could gain control over the oil, put another puppet government in place and let the US deal with that 20 years from now when it comes back to bite them in the ass. Why dont we just kick them all add two more states to the US and call them ours?

    Sadam has been working on nukes for over a decade. We have known that. The question I have is "why are we, the US, more concerned about Sadam than those that he is the greatest threat against? Why are we not staying focused on our "war on terror"? (Even though I feel I already know the answers)

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Kelsey,

    The role of oil is drasticly changing, so in 20 years we wont need vast quantities of it- so we'll let them have it back!

    I think the reason we want to get him, is that as soon as he gets nukes, we wont touch him. As far as the 'war on terrorism', well there is no such thing. Trying to find a couple hundred people in a world of 6 Billion is a little complicated. If anything, we will just make there life rough, but you'll never get them all. So, get rid of Saddam, turn Iraq into the new middle eastern Taiwan, and let economics do what war cannot- ie create long lasting jobs and increase the standard of living- and thus, deny the bad guys any reason to bitch.

  • kelsey007
    kelsey007

    Drinker,

    I don't know how old you are but as a kid back in the 60's the world of oil was changing. 40 years later our need for oil is more than ever. Also in the early 60's the US feelings toward Castro were exactly the same. Fear of communism was great and fear of Castro allowing Russia to mount an attack against the US was so great that we wanted to oust Castro. Castro has outlived all his old US enemies. All the economic sanctions the US brought against Cuba has not brought him to his knees.

    One always plays the "the world is diferent now" song. History shows that though technology has changed man is the same. I agree that Sadam is no good. I also feel that it should be more of a UN, international concern and the US should be better tuned in to our domestic needs at this point. If Sadam did have nuclear weapons would he attack the US or could he attack the US with them? If I lived in Europe I would be a lot more concerned. For some reason Bush is making this a US priority when the neighboring nations that could be most affected by Sadam want the UN to deal with it. What Bush proposes is unprecidented in the history of this country. I tend to agree with the Germans: War provides for a good distraction from domestic problems.

    It was the senior Bush that raided Panama and kidnapped the wicked Noriego (sp?) The US under Bush has shown clearly that it wants a one-way street for them when it comes to international affairs. The US wants controls on other nations that will not control them. They sought exemption from international courts for US soldiers. Remember that one? Bush is seeking congressional support for full authority to use military action against Iraq. This is being debated on the floor as I type. Any minor infraction by Sadam would allow Bush to send in the troops.

    Communism was defeated. The Soviet Union fell without the US mounting a military attack against Russia. Communism fell in Poland. This was also accomplished without great military action by the US. When military action is mounted in such a way the fallout is great and the cost is endless. 7,000 american troops are still wondering the mountains of afganastan- still fighting an unfinished battle. The puppet government in afganastan that replaced the taliban is without power over their people. Afganastan is only a remaining concern today due to the oil industry and an oil pipeline. The US needs an enemy and there will always be one available.

    If it was the TRUE intent to bring Sadam down it would have already been accomplished. The US has people in Iraq- our spys are in place, our capabilities have been there for a decade.

    Bush is intent to make his strike against Iraq next January. As the elctions of this year proceed and the 2004 election come close he needs this war. He needs this enemy and this distraction. HIs father, the elder Bush, was interviewed and shown in headlines last week- The headline: "I hate Sadam!" The picture of Bush showed him wiping a tear from his eye as he looked away from the camera. GIVE ME A BREAK!

  • Country Girl
    Country Girl

    War drives the economy up. It's been a proven strategy in ANY COUNTRY.. in ANY WAR that war is the thing that makes the economy good. He (Bush) is not doing anything different than any other leader of any other country. When the economy is down everything gets kinda hum-ho.... so LET'S DECLARE A WAR. War causes everyone to go into paranoid mode.. and to do everything to support the war. We start beefing up our defense costs, start beefing up our armies, etc. It's really a money-making scheme. I, as an American, do NOT want to go to war, since it would mean losing my one and only male child. I don't want to go to war because it means that my taxes will be raised. Bush is driving us into a really bad place. He will be raising taxes in the next year or two to support a war that has no known end. Al Quaida is all over the world. We can't stop them. There are thousands of them. All we can do is stop it locally.. which means closing up our borders and protecting ourselves. How did we get involved in this? Most Americans are Christians.. we don't want a war with them. Why should we PAY for it? We have enough problems of OUR OWN for our American government to deal with without getting involved in the war of nations that has been going on for a thousand years or more.. My idea is that Bush wants the OIL.

    Who appointed the US God? Bush says he wants a democracy in these countries. What?? Is he the appointed leader of the world? I don't think so. These countries have been warring for 1000 years or more. Let them war. Leave us out of it. I think Bush needs to find better ways of dealing with the energy crises than taking over the mandates of another country. Let's investigate solar energy. He does't like those ideas cuz they don't bring him much money. I don't want to be involved in the Middle East conflict. It's too tiring and too depressive.

    Country Girl

  • kelsey007
    kelsey007

    Country Girl-

    Well said!

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Country Girl,

    The dream of Isolation is just that, a dream. Whenever we stay out of it we get into MAJOR wars.

    Kelsey,

    True, the cold war ended without a shot. Basicly, the soviets couldnt spend as much as us! Im sure that whole STARWARS thing scared the shit out of them. Oil though is changing. Nanotechnology is changing EVERYTHING! We will not be a dependent on it in the future. If anything we should convert to methane- there is 10,000X more methane deposits under the Ocean floor than the entire Oil Reserves!! I was young during the gas crunch so I do not remember it, but, look how far things have come since the 70s!! The world (at least our world) is changing at a rapid pace- in many ways for the better. When we get the Oil monkey off our back the Middleeast will just rot! They will have no income! We wont give a rats ass about them, ahhh that will be nice.

    What I do know for sure is that Jimmy Carter sucked and Reagan kicked everyones ass!

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Kelsey,

    Go to nanotech-now.com/current-months-news.htm and check out the different Tech that is coming up. This stuff is nuts!!!!

  • Country Girl
    Country Girl

    I have to agree. TRUE democracy does *not* exist in this country. People who are AGAINST the censoring of ideas, thoughts, suggestions, are STIFLED in this country. By the press, by the courts, etc. If I say the n-word ... I am immediately thought of as a low-life, politically incorrect, red-neck. Black people can say the n-word in a conversation with another black person, but let a WHITE person say it, and they're shot to hell. They can say the word "cracker" and "white-boy" and it's thought of as funny and kind of charming. Why is that? Cracker is a derogtory term to white people, yet most people just blow it off. Why is this? Has our country gone crazy with political correctness? Why is it that a black person can call me a "cracker" and I am supposed to think it is funny.. but when I bring up the n-word I'm thought of as a racist? Why can people bring up the term "white trash" for people thta are less rich than they are and that is acceptable? The point that I am trying to prove is: we all have different situations, and different circumstancs... and NO ONE should sit in judgment of other people. YOu haven't been there, done that. We don't have to talk about our colors.. or our material circumstances.. we are always under the judtment of our God. In his eyes we are all equal.

    Country Girl

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